2078 Season Thread... 2 Rings for the Wings

[jeheinz72]

21 straight seasons of 500+ ball. 25 of the last 26. And all I do is set my lineup based on wOBA/ISO. (I gave my secret away which Webby figured out) and these ppl wanna brag about ROggie being .500+ in a league like its hard

21 straight seasons of 500+ is super impressive. You've averaged 93 wins in that run - which is really really good (honestly, no sarcasm)

Now imagine averaging 115 over that stretch

And being commish

And getting crazy dev boosts

That doesn't raise like, any eyebrows? None? Really?

[DRiccio21]

Essentially what this comes down to is neurotic and jheinz feel like they have cornered the market on logic and investigative work and the rest of us were just complete blind idiots when Corey was having his run.

It’s like the person who bad mouths the successful businessman for years of work after the fact with absolutely no idea what it took for them to get to that place.

Corey made a million trades over that time, selling off stars for stud prospects over and over and over and our league had some suckers who continually allowed it to happen.

The funniest part of this is it’s not even the first run like that our league had. Cincy had a similar run, albeit the dude who ran that team also was the commish, but I digress

Either go fuck off and play in your other leagues or realize you don’t get to control the narrative here cause you think youre smarter than everyone else... that’s Shels schtick and I won’t let anyone steal that from him. Be respectful or piss off

And also, AJ won like 3 straight titles in this league at one time... that’s a far more obscure run given how inept he is and I think you should be saving your vitriol for him

[shel311]

if you can't honestly for just one second question that decision by Neurotic, then I'd say it's pretty obvious you're just going to back him no matter what.

I'd hope at the very least you can understand why you'd be referred to as one of Neurotic's cronies if you won't question that decision, which is entirely an illogical decision based on last night's posts from Neurotic.

[Neurotic]

What are you hoping to accomplish by continuing to bring this up?

I was happy continuing to make my passive aggressive comment whenever an occasion arose. The bear got poked and the argument ensued. I didn't just start blasting for no reason.

so quit bruh. no one cares. i still dunno what team you are

People care, but it is abundantly clear nothing more will be done. Not going to apologize for being unwilling to participate in the collective ignorance towards it.

It's like all the Dugout dudes, and I think 2 or so other dudes.

Not exactly everyone, it's mroe likely only the people who you hear talk about it are talking about it because they think it's so, so it's skewing your perception of "everyone knows"

The fact that you think its only Dugout dudes just shows how out of touch you are. I have at least half a dozen people PM me about the topic every time it gets brought up.

Says the guy who let Corey into his own league.

This topic has already been discussed. See one of my previous posts. TL ; DR, I had an opening and was approached by Billy about letting Corey in. I said yes. Why would I worry about him cheating in a league has no power in? A moot point tbh.

It's honestly just a lot of fake outrage. Neurotic is acting like it's sooooo egregious but yet he's still in this league, seems obviously he's given this league a recommendation to all the other Dugout dudes in the league, AND he let Corey(and supposedly even invited) Corey into his league.

At the very least, we can all agree that makes no fucking sense whatsoever from a dude who supposedly has such strong feelings of disgust for Corey. Anyone want to take a stab at explaining how that is rational...at all?

My disdain for Corey really has no correlation with how I feel about this league. Billy runs a tight ship and I enjoy playing in the league. If Corey were still running things, obviously my feelings would be different. There are people in the Dugout who I don't particularly care for, that doesn't mean I hate the league.

And Nick is correct on moving on, if anyone cheated, prove it and let's boot that dude and move on. If you can't prove it and your entire basis of your argument is just that "he was too good" then ok great, you said your piece and admittedly have no evidence, so let it go and move on.

Unfortunately, that is now how OOTP works. There is no paper trail of evidence when ratings are manually edited. The outcome is relevant, especially because it is so outlandish. That in itself is the evidence. It comes from knowing what is statically probable within the game and what is not. It is not because Corey was "too good" for a straight decade. It was how the team was built, how the players progressed, and the timing of their progression. And the one person that it all happened for just happened to be the commissioner of the league. The one person who has the power to make it happen. It is all too big of a coincidence for it not to be true.

Is Neurotic going to argue that constantly harping on it is good for this league? Because otherwise, what is he doing other than just constantly complaining in an obvious hypocritical way?

Hypocritical how? I haven't cheated.

I'd think it'd make more sense to just admit it actually happened, rather than trying to ignore something as obvious as the sky being blue, but ok

This more than anything is my biggest issue. The continued denial coupled with the self righteous "I split up my team willingly to help out the league".

Like I've said, I don't expect an admission of guilt nor do I expect anything different to be done about it. I've been content in making my occasional comments when the occasion presents itself. The conversation blowing up into a bigger discussion is generally due to the reactions of me commenting.

[Neurotic]

Essentially what this comes down to is neurotic and jheinz feel like they have cornered the market on logic and investigative work and the rest of us were just complete blind idiots when Corey was having his run.

It’s like the person who bad mouths the successful businessman for years of work after the fact with absolutely no idea what it took for them to get to that place.

Corey made a million trades over that time, selling off stars for stud prospects over and over and over and our league had some suckers who continually allowed it to happen.

Go look at their development history vs when Corey acquired them and come back to me.

[Neurotic]

if you can't honestly for just one second question that decision by Neurotic, then I'd say it's pretty obvious you're just going to back him no matter what.

I'd hope at the very least you can understand why you'd be referred to as one of Neurotic's cronies if you won't question that decision, which is entirely an illogical decision based on last night's posts from Neurotic.

I question your reading comprehension if you cant understand an answer to a question that you've asked SEVERAL times now.

[shel311]

Either go fuck off and play in your other leagues or realize you don’t get to control the narrative here cause you think youre smarter than everyone else... that’s Shels schtick and I won’t let anyone steal that from him.

Preach!!!

[jeheinz72]

if you can't honestly for just one second question that decision by Neurotic, then I'd say it's pretty obvious you're just going to back him no matter what.

I'd hope at the very least you can understand why you'd be referred to as one of Neurotic's cronies if you won't question that decision, which is entirely an illogical decision based on last night's posts from Neurotic.

Would I have made the same call? Maybe not. I haven't run a league in ages. Would I have given it some thought both ways, of course. Not sure how I'd fall on that decision ultimately - but glad to not have to bother running a league to find out

But the reverse of your logic is equally true - if you ran a league, had a couple openings, and Billy recommended someone. Even with some possible misgivings about that GM cheating when he was commish (which he of course wouldn't be in your league) - you'd just blanket reject that recommendation no matter what?

[shel311]

if you can't honestly for just one second question that decision by Neurotic, then I'd say it's pretty obvious you're just going to back him no matter what.

I'd hope at the very least you can understand why you'd be referred to as one of Neurotic's cronies if you won't question that decision, which is entirely an illogical decision based on last night's posts from Neurotic.

I question your reading comprehension if you cant understand an answer to a question that you've asked SEVERAL times now.

Because your answer is bullshit and illogical.

FWIW, so is jheinz response. I'm envisioning a scenario where Billy tells me that he's going to do another league's commish a solid by inviting a dude to the league that Billy knows is a huge cheater and a piece of garbage human being, and my response being "ok cool" and not "Billy, are you fucking stupid?"


There is no rational way to be THIS motivated about this topic and to invite Corey to your league. You can attempt to explain it any way you like, go for it. Just know that any way you explain it is entirely illogical and irrational

[shel311]

But the reverse of your logic is equally true - if you ran a league, had a couple openings, and Billy recommended someone. Even with some possible misgivings about that GM cheating when he was commish (which he of course wouldn't be in your league) - you'd just blanket reject that recommendation no matter what?

"possible misgivings" or Billy constantly talking about it for months and months and feeling 100% certain that dude cheated and is a piece of garbage human being?

If it's the latter, I'd laugh at Billy for even asking me to take the dude in the league...why are we even debating this right now?

There's no logic to that, none.

[jeheinz72]

FWIW, so is jheinz response. I'm envisioning a scenario where Billy tells me that he's going to do another league's commish a solid by inviting a dude to the league that Billy knows is a huge cheater and a piece of garbage human being, and my response being "ok cool" and not "Billy, are you fucking stupid?"

You like, get how the game works right? This isn't something a non-commish could do. Like you get that, right? It's not like I can just start hackin' up the NDL and Dugout file so my teams there are amazing?

But even still, your logic is essentially saying "It's ok Corey cheated because Mike let him in the dugout, which I wouldn't have done"

It's ok I robbed a bank because the teller is cheating on his wife
It's ok I ran that lady over because she was on her phone in the crosswalk
It's ok I embezzled funds because that money was just going to be wasted

[jeheinz72]

But the reverse of your logic is equally true - if you ran a league, had a couple openings, and Billy recommended someone. Even with some possible misgivings about that GM cheating when he was commish (which he of course wouldn't be in your league) - you'd just blanket reject that recommendation no matter what?

"possible misgivings" or Billy constantly talking about it for months and months and feeling 100% certain that dude cheated and is a piece of garbage human being?

If it's the latter, I'd laugh at Billy for even asking me to take the dude in the league...why are we even debating this right now?

There's no logic to that, none.

I honestly don't know the discussion that was had between Mike/Billy - nor do I know Billy's feelings on the matter.

I just know a edited up, cheater as fuck squad when I see it. If you choose to continue to be blind to it - fine by me. Just don't get all preachy when others who don't want to put their head in the sand pipe up with a dig

[DRiccio21]

Essentially what this comes down to is neurotic and jheinz feel like they have cornered the market on logic and investigative work and the rest of us were just complete blind idiots when Corey was having his run.

It’s like the person who bad mouths the successful businessman for years of work after the fact with absolutely no idea what it took for them to get to that place.

Corey made a million trades over that time, selling off stars for stud prospects over and over and over and our league had some suckers who continually allowed it to happen.

Go look at their development history vs when Corey acquired them and come back to me.

Here’s the thing about what you’re doing.

You’ve created a narrative during your time here and you continually live in that narrative and keep adding layers to it over time and are now emotionally entrenched in your fairy tale you created... which believe or not I think is fine, everyone is entitled to think whatever the fuck they want.

But, with that said:

a) you don’t actually know what you’re saying is FACTUAL and you weren’t even here. To be willing to go so hard on a topic you weren’t actually here for is a bit puzzling at best and borderline narcissistic at worst. There was literally YEARS of game play and decisions that were made to create his super teams

b) others of us were here so your suggestions are offensive to those of us who were participating as if we openly allowed someone to cheat and we were too dumb to see it.

C) the dudes he got in trades were always the top of the top prospects. If you want to argue he gave himself a head start by having cheated at the beginning to get the original studs to trade them off for other stud prospects, then maybe that’s fair (I’m not going there but that’s one possible thing I can’t guarantee didn’t happen). But I literally watched him trade for the top prospects over and over and over and over by dumping his studs off to those owners. The dudes were always insane and back then if you had a projected top prospect they basically always became stars. There was far less variance in the scouting as there is today

D) I don’t even get along w Corey.

E) AJ won 3 titles in a row, did I mention how unrealistic that is.

F) I know you keep downplaying his willingness to break up his team, but he did do that without anyone making him or wanting him to. I actually was very much against it. He was making smart moves over and over and deserved the squads he had at the time of the breakup.

Again, I can’t guarantee he never fucked with his original team to get the head start... I don’t think he did, but I can’t guarantee it... but I can guarantee he made very smart trades from a financial and roster building perspective that continually helped him win during that run.

[jeheinz72]

and for the record, I don't even care that much that he did it. Hey, we all make mistakes, I'm far from perfect. Everyone's hand has been caught in the cookie jar from time to time.

But personally, when that has ever happened to me, I didn't then go and pretend the jar didn't exist to begin with.

Sack up, admit the wrong, move on. Don't tell me how great you are for benevolently donating edited dudes to other teams. Maybe that admission happened pre-Heinz and I'm just off on that, but given the veracity of people rejecting the notion that anything even happened, I'm betting against that.

[shel311]

You like, get how the game works right? This isn't something a non-commish could do. Like you get that, right? It's not like I can just start hackin' up the NDL and Dugout file so my teams there are amazing?

So for that reason, you just allow a cheater that you also think is huge piece of garbage into your league?

Again, you're trying to rationalize something that is 100% not rational.

But even still, your logic is essentially saying "It's ok Corey cheated because Mike let him in the dugout, which I wouldn't have done"

It's ok I robbed a bank because the teller is cheating on his wife
It's ok I ran that lady over because she was on her phone in the crosswalk
It's ok I embezzled funds because that money was just going to be wasted

No, for like the 5th time I'm saying Neurotic very obviously acted irrationally. You claimed "my logic" but you missed the mark. I'm saying Neurotic made a completely illogical decision, and I honestly can't see how you don't agree with that, it's pretty baffling.

[jeheinz72]

You like, get how the game works right? This isn't something a non-commish could do. Like you get that, right? It's not like I can just start hackin' up the NDL and Dugout file so my teams there are amazing?

So for that reason, you just allow a cheater that you also think is huge piece of garbage into your league?

Again, you're trying to rationalize something that is 100% not rational.

But even still, your logic is essentially saying "It's ok Corey cheated because Mike let him in the dugout, which I wouldn't have done"

It's ok I robbed a bank because the teller is cheating on his wife
It's ok I ran that lady over because she was on her phone in the crosswalk
It's ok I embezzled funds because that money was just going to be wasted

No, for like the 5th time I'm saying Neurotic very obviously acted irrationally. You claimed "my logic" but you missed the mark. I'm saying Neurotic made a completely illogical decision, and I honestly can't see how you don't agree with that, it's pretty baffling.

Ok, so stipulating Mike made a bad call letting him in the Dugout. Fine, call that true.

Dude still cheated like a fuckin mad man

[DRiccio21]

but given the veracity of people rejecting the notion that anything even happened, I'm betting against that.

Expand on this thought please?

Are you implying that people having differing views from you somehow strengthens your case?

I’m honestly confused what that means so don’t want to jump before I hear the intent of that comment

[shel311]

Ok, so stipulating Mike made a bad call letting him in the Dugout. Fine, call that true.

My entire premise of making that point was about the "crony" line.

Again, just being honest, if you try to defend that for a few posts like you did instead of saying exactly what you just said there...all I'm saying is I"d hope you can at least understand the logic behind being called a crony, no?

And same with you posting as facts all these things that happened when you weren't even here, and honestly I don't even think Neurotic was in the league then? So I assume Neurotic told you all these things that happened that he may not have been here for, and you're posting them as facts, not distorted or exaggerated at all because Neurotic told you. Put those 2 things together and my only point with all of that is...all I'm saying is I"d hope you can at least understand the logic behind being called a crony, no?

[shel311]

but given the veracity of people rejecting the notion that anything even happened, I'm betting against that.

Wait wait wait...you're going to have to explain this one to me.

2 people have posted the most and been the most outspoken since yesterday in that regard, Dave and myself. Dave said it's possible, I don't think I've made a single comment on whether he did or didn't since yesterday.


Are you honestly trying to tell me both of spoke with more veracity than Neurotic did?


If "veracity" is your barometer and the more veracity someone has, then you'd bet against that, then can you explain to me why you're believing Neurotic, who only had about 1 million times more veracity than both Dave and I?

Please, please explain that one..

[Graywolf357]

NL East Vs AL East round 2 fight.