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[shel311]

Why can't you grasp that I'm advocating for a overhaul of our government?

How realistic is that?

[GeorgesGoons]

I'd be more then happy to trade complete financial ruin that's a very real possibility with my current healthcare plan and be on a waitlist to have my hurting feet or any other non life threating issue taken care of.

Like I said. Ignorance must be bliss.

If you think it just stops at a hang nail and it doesn't cross over to more life threatening illnesses/injuries with the ineptness of government ran (anything) healthcare, please pass what you are smoking because I definitely want some.

Please provide the evidence of the rampant people dying in the streets due to government healthcare in other countries that have a system that would be similar to what a system would be like in this country?

I have a feeling you're probably referring to near communist or communist countries around the world that have government run healthcare. IE venezuel or other failed states.

Are you reading anything?

I am not referring to any other country. I am referring to our own government ran medical system right here in the US. Do some research and see how broke it is. Big government is not the key here to solve problems. It takes innovative citizens to do that without government dick beaters reaching in and fucking it all up. I feel sorry for you if you believe the government is better off running your life than you making your own decisions

[Crowes]

Why can't you grasp that I'm advocating for a overhaul of our government?

How realistic is that?

It's all in the changing the mindset ain't it?

But seriously to me it is just identifying what can help us towards that path at this particular moment in time. And while both parties are absolutely abhorrent as a whole in looking out for the average person they most certainly are not on the same level with what some candidates inside the party are saying is important to them imo.

[Crowes]

I'd be more then happy to trade complete financial ruin that's a very real possibility with my current healthcare plan and be on a waitlist to have my hurting feet or any other non life threating issue taken care of.

Like I said. Ignorance must be bliss.

If you think it just stops at a hang nail and it doesn't cross over to more life threatening illnesses/injuries with the ineptness of government ran (anything) healthcare, please pass what you are smoking because I definitely want some.

Please provide the evidence of the rampant people dying in the streets due to government healthcare in other countries that have a system that would be similar to what a system would be like in this country?

I have a feeling you're probably referring to near communist or communist countries around the world that have government run healthcare. IE venezuel or other failed states.

Are you reading anything?

I am not referring to any other country. I am referring to our own government ran medical system right here in the US. Do some research and see how broke it is. Big government is not the key here to solve problems. It takes innovative citizens to do that without government dick beaters reaching in and fucking it all up. I feel sorry for you if you believe the government is better off running your life than you making your own decisions

Are you not reading anything? I'm not saying the government as is could implement it.

[GeorgesGoons]

I'd be more then happy to trade complete financial ruin that's a very real possibility with my current healthcare plan and be on a waitlist to have my hurting feet or any other non life threating issue taken care of.

Like I said. Ignorance must be bliss.

If you think it just stops at a hang nail and it doesn't cross over to more life threatening illnesses/injuries with the ineptness of government ran (anything) healthcare, please pass what you are smoking because I definitely want some.

Please provide the evidence of the rampant people dying in the streets due to government healthcare in other countries that have a system that would be similar to what a system would be like in this country?

I have a feeling you're probably referring to near communist or communist countries around the world that have government run healthcare. IE venezuel or other failed states.

Are you reading anything?

I am not referring to any other country. I am referring to our own government ran medical system right here in the US. Do some research and see how broke it is. Big government is not the key here to solve problems. It takes innovative citizens to do that without government dick beaters reaching in and fucking it all up. I feel sorry for you if you believe the government is better off running your life than you making your own decisions

Are you not reading anything? I'm not saying the government as is could implement it.

If you overhaul the whole government what makes you think anything changes? US people are entitled greedy fucks who look out for themselves over everything else.

[Crowes]

Like I said. Ignorance must be bliss.

If you think it just stops at a hang nail and it doesn't cross over to more life threatening illnesses/injuries with the ineptness of government ran (anything) healthcare, please pass what you are smoking because I definitely want some.

Please provide the evidence of the rampant people dying in the streets due to government healthcare in other countries that have a system that would be similar to what a system would be like in this country?

I have a feeling you're probably referring to near communist or communist countries around the world that have government run healthcare. IE venezuel or other failed states.

Are you reading anything?

I am not referring to any other country. I am referring to our own government ran medical system right here in the US. Do some research and see how broke it is. Big government is not the key here to solve problems. It takes innovative citizens to do that without government dick beaters reaching in and fucking it all up. I feel sorry for you if you believe the government is better off running your life than you making your own decisions

Are you not reading anything? I'm not saying the government as is could implement it.

If you overhaul the whole government what makes you think anything changes? US people are entitled greedy fucks who look out for themselves over everything else.

Seeing as I can't do it on my own. If/when we do get to that point that would mean those people are an even smaller minority then they are now and our system doesn't give them the undue influence they enjoy in today's government ie big money in politics.

[ReignOnU]

I am a pretty progressive guy and lean towards the left in most cases and this Crowes fella has finally helped me see why a lot of people can’t stand us lol. Give those fingers a break buddy, this is a train wreck.

To be fair, we've got "Crowes" on both sides.

I put it on myself for going back and forth today. I had given up replying to him a long time ago because of the delusion and dancing. I must have been really bored during my calls this morning.

[shel311]

If/when we do get to that point that would mean those people are an even smaller minority then they are now and our system doesn't give them the undue influence they enjoy in today's government ie big money in politics.

1 page ago you accused me of making simple arguments not based in reality, and now you're saying that all we have to do is make today's government/politics NOT be about big money.


So I'll ask again, how realistic is that?

[Crowes]

I am a pretty progressive guy and lean towards the left in most cases and this Crowes fella has finally helped me see why a lot of people can’t stand us lol. Give those fingers a break buddy, this is a train wreck.

To be fair, we've got "Crowes" on both sides.

I put it on myself for going back and forth today. I had given up replying to him a long time ago because of the delusion and dancing. I must have been really bored during my calls this morning.

the fact you don't see that you and George are the "crowes" on the other side is the great delusion.

[Crowes]

If/when we do get to that point that would mean those people are an even smaller minority then they are now and our system doesn't give them the undue influence they enjoy in today's government ie big money in politics.

1 page ago you accused me of making simple arguments not based in reality, and now you're saying that all we have to do is make today's government/politics NOT be about big money.


So I'll ask again, how realistic is that?

Getting big money outta politics is far from a simple solution to implement.

[ReignOnU]

I am a pretty progressive guy and lean towards the left in most cases and this Crowes fella has finally helped me see why a lot of people can’t stand us lol. Give those fingers a break buddy, this is a train wreck.

To be fair, we've got "Crowes" on both sides.

I put it on myself for going back and forth today. I had given up replying to him a long time ago because of the delusion and dancing. I must have been really bored during my calls this morning.

the fact you don't see that you and George are the "crowes" on the other side is the great delusion.

Not even remotely close, but I understand the theme of labeling anyone that disagrees as far right psycho. There isn't anyone that I'd consider as a nutty opposite of you. George and I tend to take a lot of heat because there are far more liberal voices of varying degrees here. Some moderate, some moderate with a big hatred for Orange Man, some fairly liberal... then there is the land of bat shit crazy, which your car is driving directly toward. Pump the breaks and hang out in reality with the rest of us.

[Crowes]

I am a pretty progressive guy and lean towards the left in most cases and this Crowes fella has finally helped me see why a lot of people can’t stand us lol. Give those fingers a break buddy, this is a train wreck.

To be fair, we've got "Crowes" on both sides.

I put it on myself for going back and forth today. I had given up replying to him a long time ago because of the delusion and dancing. I must have been really bored during my calls this morning.

the fact you don't see that you and George are the "crowes" on the other side is the great delusion.

Not even remotely close, but I understand the theme of labeling anyone that disagrees as far right psycho. There isn't anyone that I'd consider as a nutty opposite of you. George and I tend to take a lot of heat because there are far more liberal voices of varying degrees here. Some moderate, some moderate with a big hatred for Orange Man, some fairly liberal... then there is the land of bat shit crazy, which your car is driving directly toward. Pump the breaks and hang out in reality with the rest of us.

Me labeling you guys the far right psycho vs u labeling me the far left one...... Pot meet kettle.

[shel311]

[nick]

man this is fun to read. also Canada has universal healthcare and were fine.

[Crowes]

man this is fun to read. also Canada has universal healthcare and were fine.

Are you trying to tell me the dead aren't laying in the streets and the government doesn't control every aspect of ur life????

[nick]

man this is fun to read. also Canada has universal healthcare and were fine.

And you mean to tell me the dead aren't laying in the streets and the government doesn't control every aspect of ur life????

Nah. Closest thing we got to death on the streets up here is all the crackheads doing the thriller dance downtown by Scott's Mission (Homeless shelter).

[GeorgesGoons]

man this is fun to read. also Canada has universal healthcare and were fine.

And you mean to tell me the dead aren't laying in the streets and the government doesn't control every aspect of ur life????

Nah. Closest thing we got to death on the streets up here is all the crackheads doing the thriller dance downtown by Scott's Mission (Homeless shelter).

If they are doing the thriller dance you 100% need to get video of that

[ReignOnU]

Me labeling you guys the far right psycho vs u labeling me the far left one...... Pot meet kettle.

I didn't have to label you... you've got folks on the liberal side looking at you cross-eyed. As for my stances, I've support many things Trump/GOP has done, while also supporting some moderate measures. If I ever take a nutty stand like absolutism, dominant ethnic rule, paleoconservatism, etc... feel free to call me out.

About the closest thing you'll see to far right views from me is a strong stance on controlled immigration and preference to avoid foreign conflict. I believe in taking care of our own first. We don't need an influx of immigration until we can properly handle our homeless and impoverished. We don't need to act as Team America, World Police. If/when we have our house in order, we can deal with helping others. To me, this isn't a political stance, it's common sense.

[Crowes]

Me labeling you guys the far right psycho vs u labeling me the far left one...... Pot meet kettle.

I didn't have to label you... you've got folks on the liberal side looking at you cross-eyed. As for my stances, I've support many things Trump/GOP has done, while also supporting some moderate measures. If I ever take a nutty stand like absolutism, dominant ethnic rule, paleoconservatism, etc... feel free to call me out.

About the closest thing you'll see to far right views from me is a strong stance on controlled immigration and preference to avoid foreign conflict. I believe in taking care of our own first. We don't need an influx of immigration until we can properly handle our homeless and impoverished. We don't need to act as Team America, World Police. If/when we have our house in order, we can deal with helping others. To me, this isn't a political stance, it's common sense.

What have I said that is so ultra liberal? Supporting universal healthcare and money out of politics? And that the Democratics have at least some in their party that support those things? That is all I have said. I don't claim to be some Nobel laureate at getting my thoughts across but I'll say what I wanna say.

Dak said the exact same thing I was trying to say. With the right people in charge we accomplish a many great things to make the average Americans life better.

[Crowes]

Me labeling you guys the far right psycho vs u labeling me the far left one...... Pot meet kettle.

I believe in taking care of our own first. We don't need an influx of immigration until we can properly handle our homeless and impoverished. We don't need to act as Team America, World Police. If/when we have our house in order, we can deal with helping others. To me, this isn't a political stance, it's common sense.

A pig dressed up in a dress is still a pig.

"Ultranationalism is "extreme nationalism that promotes the interest of one state or people above all others", or simply "extreme devotion to one's own nation".[1][2]

Ultranationalism combined with the notion of national rebirth is a key foundation of fascism"