2070 Season Thread.... Oh Canada

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I always get alarmed when I see one of my Rule 5 guys taken and go oh crap, who is he and what did I miss!!?!?
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wdoupis wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:01 am 27th in war all time and that is held against him? Nothing you listed is a negative. I agree he is not at the Richard Todd and Jorge Marino level of locks but its a pretty easy HOF case there.
Yeah, not sure how being a borderline top 25 player of all time can be a negative this deep into a file.
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wdoupis wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:01 am 27th in war all time and that is held against him? Nothing you listed is a negative. I agree he is not at the Richard Todd and Jorge Marino level of locks but its a pretty easy HOF case there.
I don't see it personally.
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GeorgesGoons wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:35 am
wdoupis wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:01 am 27th in war all time and that is held against him? Nothing you listed is a negative. I agree he is not at the Richard Todd and Jorge Marino level of locks but its a pretty easy HOF case there.
I don't see it personally.
Thought he was talking about patterson.....never mind. nothing to see here
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wdoupis wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:01 am 27th in war all time and that is held against him? Nothing you listed is a negative. I agree he is not at the Richard Todd and Jorge Marino level of locks but its a pretty easy HOF case there.
It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Pretty Good
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wdoupis wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:01 am 27th in war all time and that is held against him? Nothing you listed is a negative. I agree he is not at the Richard Todd and Jorge Marino level of locks but its a pretty easy HOF case there.
No, I was giving all of his info. None of it specifically was held against him, just giving the relevant details.


Nothing is a negative as you stated. Also, nothing shows he's a 1st ballot lock without a doubt.
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Roggie wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:29 am
wdoupis wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:01 am 27th in war all time and that is held against him? Nothing you listed is a negative. I agree he is not at the Richard Todd and Jorge Marino level of locks but its a pretty easy HOF case there.
Yeah, not sure how being a borderline top 25 player of all time can be a negative this deep into a file.
Again, it wasn't posted as a negative. It was showing his body of work. Which is pretty darn good, just not auto 1st ballot lock good
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Sidney Blackwell:

- 27th all time in WAR
- Ranks really high in some of the counting stats, but not as high in the efficiency stats, 0 MVPs, not as well liked by the HOF Metrics

Billy: 1ST BALLOT LOCK, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS!!!



Mike "Crafty" McGee:

- 28th all time in WAR
- Ranks really high in some of the counting stats, but not as high in the efficiency stats, has 2 Cy Youngs, and is more liked by the HOF Metrics

Billy: YOU'RE CRAZY, CRAFTY IS NOWHERE NEAR A HALL OF FAMER!!!!
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@Shel
TheGobOne wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:02 pmIt's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Pretty Good
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When I say what is wrong with you guys it is not for Blackwell, it is how some guys vote in general. I mean Munoz was 2 votes from not getting in, wtf is that?

As far as crafty... His career era is over 4, his era+ is 107 which means he is basically average. He sprinkled in 2-3 awesome seasons but for a majority of his career he was average or below average. WAR for SPs in this game is broken so I do not go off that number at all. If McGee was on one team his entire career and that team was a consistent playoff team then he would have been that teams #3 or #4 starter. His best years were in his short stint in Sheltown so maybe you only remember the good years
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Wtf! 21 year old catcher that has barely made it to Short A being drafted in Rule 5. Damn you Dave!! DAMN YOU!!!

How's that?
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these ratings drops in highly drafted players or rises in obscure players is fucking maddening. Scouting is FUBAR.
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Ry wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:34 pm these ratings drops in highly drafted players or rises in obscure players is fucking maddening. Scouting is FUBAR.
I don't mind them at this time as you've had them in the system for a season and a closer look. Its when they happen the July/August report that makes no sense. I mean Mookie Betts was a 5th rounder, Arenado a 2nd rounder, Anthony Rizzo a 6th rounder.
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just happy my export went through. see ya Aaron
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wdoupis wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:57 pm When I say what is wrong with you guys it is not for Blackwell, it is how some guys vote in general. I mean Munoz was 2 votes from not getting in, wtf is that?

As far as crafty... His career era is over 4, his era+ is 107 which means he is basically average. He sprinkled in 2-3 awesome seasons but for a majority of his career he was average or below average. WAR for SPs in this game is broken so I do not go off that number at all. If McGee was on one team his entire career and that team was a consistent playoff team then he would have been that teams #3 or #4 starter. His best years were in his short stint in Sheltown so maybe you only remember the good years
ERA/ERA+ is a tough stat for pitchers, though. Put a good defense behind them, and they'll look way better. Put a crap defense behind them, and their ERA will be utter garbage. I've seen pitchers get a whole earned run worse or better just by changing teams.
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107 isnt average by the way.. 100 is
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Roggie wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:39 pm
wdoupis wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:57 pm When I say what is wrong with you guys it is not for Blackwell, it is how some guys vote in general. I mean Munoz was 2 votes from not getting in, wtf is that?

As far as crafty... His career era is over 4, his era+ is 107 which means he is basically average. He sprinkled in 2-3 awesome seasons but for a majority of his career he was average or below average. WAR for SPs in this game is broken so I do not go off that number at all. If McGee was on one team his entire career and that team was a consistent playoff team then he would have been that teams #3 or #4 starter. His best years were in his short stint in Sheltown so maybe you only remember the good years
ERA/ERA+ is a tough stat for pitchers, though. Put a good defense behind them, and they'll look way better. Put a crap defense behind them, and their ERA will be utter garbage. I've seen pitchers get a whole earned run worse or better just by changing teams.
I can attest to this...2058 I had one of the WORST defenses in the league and team ERA was 5.39. Last year I had one of the better Ds in the league (due to a complete overhaul) and ended with a 3.25 ERA.

Specifically, Pepe Castellonos...5.51 ERA in '58 and 2.75 ERA in '59.
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Roggie wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:29 am
wdoupis wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:01 am 27th in war all time and that is held against him? Nothing you listed is a negative. I agree he is not at the Richard Todd and Jorge Marino level of locks but its a pretty easy HOF case there.
Yeah, not sure how being a borderline top 25 player of all time can be a negative this deep into a file.
the league has been around 60 seasons and you're in the top 27 all time in WAR....not sure that's a "case against him"
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For the 3rd time, it wasn't :lol:

I was putting the entire body of work out there. If I put just the low ranking stuff, someone would have replied to say I was intentionally not adding something like WAR. So I put it all out there.
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