PLay the Pass-Run and Season Showdown?????

[BFiVL]

Steam I feel as if we are going in circles but saying the same thing. Regardless of showdown being on or off, if folks would do things in moderation, then its a non issue. Dont abuse things, even if they are not banned. it is pretty simple.

[bigred]

Steam I feel as if we are going in circles but saying the same thing. Regardless of showdown being on or off, if folks would do things in moderation, then its a non issue. Dont abuse things, even if they are not banned. it is pretty simple.

Showdown being on helps you determine if someone is doing things in moderation or not.

How can you tell if someone is using jump snap every play?..you cant unless its on.

[BFiVL]

Steam I feel as if we are going in circles but saying the same thing. Regardless of showdown being on or off, if folks would do things in moderation, then its a non issue. Dont abuse things, even if they are not banned. it is pretty simple.

Showdown being on helps you determine if someone is doing things in moderation or not.

How can you tell if someone is using jump snap every play?..you cant unless its on.

How did we ever tell it before this game? Same way we can tell now. Moderation is what every one needs to strive for. I mean, how can I state this any better. If people want to use this stuff in MODERATION its fine. No one should be over using this things, if you feel as if they are, put it in their coaches reports. It would be easier if showdown was on, but if folks dont know when these things are on without showdown, then whats the problem? You should know if you are constantly getting blown up and the team aint 2 letter grades above you, then start looking for certain things they may be abusing.

[pounddarock]

Steam I feel as if we are going in circles but saying the same thing. Regardless of showdown being on or off, if folks would do things in moderation, then its a non issue. Dont abuse things, even if they are not banned. it is pretty simple.

Showdown being on helps you determine if someone is doing things in moderation or not.

How can you tell if someone is using jump snap every play?..you cant unless its on.

That's incorrect, "jump the snap" appears on the screen without it being on.

I think basing "season showdown" being off to dock someone is ridiculous. There are certain categories to "judge" someone's gameplay (offensive play variety/defensive play variety/realism/knowing the rues) If I am mixing up a defense against your pass (man/zone/formation) what does playing the pass have to do with it?

I understand that guys that are pass-heavy don't seem to like this feature...but I'm sorry it is not a guaranteed pass defensive help. I use it in moderation...and check the stats against me....I get passed on like it's going out of style.

If you cannot "judge" someone's gameplay without the use of pop-up screens, then maybe you are not playing in the spirit of the game anyway. Man, I would feel sorry for someone who isn't having fun because they are looking to nitpick and bitch about every single detail of the game being played.

We've all seen how EA fucks with this game and it's lame-ass gimmick shit, but we ALL KNOW THAT. It's a video game, not real.

So, if someone you are playing does not have season showdown turned on (that would be me)...it would seem asinine to dock someone for that alone. If you feel they are abusing a feature, pause the game and simply ask or discuss on AIM during the game. Or hell, if someone is playing the pass too much, run it down their throats because that is how EA set it up as it's risk/reward. If you are mixing up your run/pass, then moderation on the other side would have to occur.

Anything else banned in the rules or in the NDL spirit of playing the game can be "judged" whether Season Showdown is on or off. I personally enjoy just playing the game and having fun without all that other garbage involved. Ask anyone I've played last season...I have it turned off and you can still see I play straight. (The 98% coaching report attests to that as well).

So, because we do play this season steam...and we've played before...I implore that you reconsider your stance on docking simply because I have it off. I promise it will be a fun-played game and still in the NDL spirit. I will not and do not want this wasted feature on while I play all my games.

Thank you....can I get an essay award?

[6ftdeep]

Or hell, if someone is playing the pass too much, run it down their throats because that is how EA set it up as it's risk/reward. If you are mixing up your run/pass, then moderation on the other side would have to occur.

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this is the problem have with this arguement.. if you are behind you obviously cant run it. if your line is subpar you obviously cant run effictively enough for that person to realistically respect the run... and lastly there is really no penalty for playing the pass.. Everyone says run the ball if they play the pass.. hah. You could play the pass every down .. every freaking down. And still stop the run, with limited problems. THe feature is just as overdone as play the run in opinion in many cases.. Because it so easily abused not just by overuse but simple adjustments to the defense to go along with it. And despite what everyone thinks.. the greatest advantage to play the pass, is not that the secondary plays that much greater, but the burst off the line blitzing defenders gain, the late bumps down the field and extra strength the secondarys gain on bumping wrs.. causing sacks, hurried throws, or interceptions from the general havoc.

As I said before it is not a gureentee stop everytime, but is definate advantage to using it, otherwise ppl would not use to stop said passing game. ... Now with that said I dont dock anyone for the use of it.. simply because it is not against the current rules of the ndl.

[justgiver31]

Ok maybe I am just a moron and/or don't care but i have NO clue what you guys are talking about haha

I have no idea what season show down is and i have no clue what Play the pass/run is either? Can someone im and let me know because i am like giver... i just boot my ps3 up and then play lol i dont even know how to jump a snap or anything... I just want to know so I can see if someone is doing it.

Thanks

I started this post to just figure this out and all I have got is how shitty it is or how its not agaisnt the rules....I just want the basics as far as when u use this does it appear on the screen or what? I dont play it enough to get that in depth. Someone who knows please let me know.

[Bernie32]

Play the pass is before the snap on defense, hold down L2, a box will appear, right stick down, left or right are all for play the run and they are banned. Right stick up is play the pass. Receiver icon is key on specific receiver. If a swat or interception is made, ( maybe a sack too), you will get strategy points for playing the pass. It shows up in the season showdown bar on bottom of screen.

Hope that helps.

[pounddarock]

I started this post to just figure this out and all I have got is how shitty it is or how its not against the rules....I just want the basics as far as when u use this does it appear on the screen or what? I dont play it enough to get that in depth. Someone who knows please let me know.

If you have season showdown on...then I think you get pop-ups that give you a "strategy" score so you know if someone is using a feature or not. If you never signed up for season showdown, then you do not get the pop-ups or said strategy score. (The only features that are obvious are the "aggressive DL-user jump snap appears" and if someone guesses the run when everyone and their family crashes the offense). Besides that, you can just play and enjoy the game

hope that helps!


and I agree with you sixft...in that situation, you must throw, but throwing in a delayed handoff or draw sometimes helps. And just like champ said earlier, if someone is up and protecting a lead late and the other guy HAS to pass..then using any features is lame anyway. Play and have fun guys...seriously.

[nick]

honestly, i LOVE play the pass. I don't use it all the time but I will. To me, PLay the pass stops all these annoying 5 yard passes everyone seems to do. So to me it counters the evil of this unstoppable (and thus 30-33 happen) short routes.

Thats my opinion.

ALso, since we're in here about passing and stuff, am I the only one who hates people who use their safeties and just bullet to the line when they see me HB stretch, but get mad when I use PA? I think thats the worst shit. I get it, u wanna make a play, but in real life the safety NEVER bullets to the line after the hut in case theres a play action, yet online I have FS's waiting for me in the backfield.

im done. thanks

[GeorgesGoons]

honestly, i LOVE play the pass. I don't use it all the time but I will. To me, PLay the pass stops all these annoying 5 yard passes everyone seems to do. So to me it counters the evil of this unstoppable (and thus 30-33 happen) short routes.

Sure it may work for you with Oklahoma but it doesnt work for the likes of Idaho or Northwestern.

[ReignOnU]

I don't really care if someone has it on but do not dock me if I use the play pass strategy when I know you are passing 85% of the time. My secondary is weak anyway so it doesn't even help me most of the time. I also would like to say if you are up 3 scores late in the 4th, is it really necessary to keep using it? Play defense without the "extra" boost if up big, regardless if I pass or not.

Thank You Come Again!

What the Dizzle said.

[nick]

honestly, i LOVE play the pass. I don't use it all the time but I will. To me, PLay the pass stops all these annoying 5 yard passes everyone seems to do. So to me it counters the evil of this unstoppable (and thus 30-33 happen) short routes.

Sure it may work for you with Oklahoma but it doesnt work for the likes of Idaho or Northwestern.

I did it at Purdue too. Northwestern > Purdue so thats not really an excuse you can use.

[ReignOnU]

1st and 10, if you have a tendency to pass, I might do it.

2nd and Long, pretty likely I'm doing it.

3rd and Short, no chance in hell.

My frequency of use really depends on the team/coach I'm playing and the situation on the field.

Also, another feature that can help a lot is adjusting your depth on your zones. Nick, for instance, if you want help stopping that 5yd pass, play tighter zones. If you come out in a normal zone drop and they hit 1 or 2, then on a crucial play you adjust to tighter zones with an underneath coverage, you've got a great opportunity for a pick.

[VTrunNgun]

Too much dialogue going back and forth - Someone recap please

My $0.02 after reading the header and a few opening rants...

Overall:
I like Season Showdown. The concept of tracking your progression as a player over the course of the year is pretty cool. Yeah the meta-game of having these points go towards your respective school is kinda blahhh. It is interesting to see how strong I am in certain categories as well as others.

The Good & The Bad:
There are a lot of insights gained from playing people with Season Showdown activated. Say someone comes out and plays AGGRESSIVE on everything, I would think the other user would Adjust to counter it? I mean hell they reward everyone with points after your strategy pays off, so how about you adjust to it??

Case and point - Not to call anyone out, but I will anyways I use Georgia Tech, I'm running the damn football. No freakin-brainer that I'm putting the ball on the ground 40+ times a game. To counter that, I'm not surprised when I see BIG HIT Aggressive or STRIP BALL Aggressive or STUFF THE OPTION Aggressive all turned on; if not at the same time. I have YET to play anyone who hasn't used one of those features at some point in my game; whether it results in a turnover or not and you get the points, it can be pretty obvious. If I'm mistaken well you're all liars

With that being said...SO WHAT! All I do now is tell my running backs to PROTECT THE BALL then I head into battle. That is me ADJUSTING and COUNTERING what my opponent is doing it. It's a SIM league, if someone wants to be so kind to show you their cards on the battlefield, adjust!!!

As for those who don't have Season Showdown on, you're just fooling yourself. Like I said before, just because big points dont pop up doesn't mean people aren't noticing. Hence a thread like this begins...

If anything, I would vote to have Season Showdown activated for everyone's accounts.

[ReignOnU]

Not to pull it off topic, but "Stuff Option" comes up when you select EITHER the QB or RB and make a stop in the backfield, on an option play, vs. that player.

And you're definitely right, you're adjusting accordingly. Teams that pass 80% of the time would also get that opportunity to adjust.

[Uuaww]

Too much dialogue going back and forth - Someone recap please

Moderation or you're fucked in coaches reports. Safe bet is don't use them.

[pounddarock]

As for those who don't have Season Showdown on, you're just fooling yourself. Like I said before, just because big points dont pop up doesn't mean people aren't noticing. Hence a thread like this begins...

If anything, I would vote to have Season Showdown activated for everyone's accounts.

exactly my point as why it's not necessary. you can usually tell if someone is using it...keep in mind that I have mine off. That means neither of us can see any of that garbage (except the user jump snap for some reason). If a guy gets a holding call...it's just that, a holding call. I could give to shits less if it's because he using the holding blocks on aggressive or not. I've had plenty of penalties when I have nothing on (which is 98% of the time)....so it's just a game. To force someone to have this activated is total horseshit...it's like telling everyone they had to switch their spin button to triangle because if at circle, it makes it easier to spin.

as it is nice to "discuss" things on the boards freely, there comes a point where we need to agree to disagree. But docking someone points for not having this activated is 100% wrong IMO. You are automatically assuming that a guy is going to cheese that probably not the case 99% of the time. Keep in mind that since I have mine off, that means every game I've played so far hasn't had this...and I've been able to give plenty of 5's because guys I've played are NOT cheese-dickheads.

I better stop now...as we know most guys here can't read past two lines

[nick]

As for those who don't have Season Showdown on, you're just fooling yourself. Like I said before, just because big points dont pop up doesn't mean people aren't noticing. Hence a thread like this begins...

If anything, I would vote to have Season Showdown activated for everyone's accounts.

exactly my point as why it's not necessary. you can usually tell if someone is using it...keep in mind that I have mine off. That means neither of us can see any of that garbage (except the user jump snap for some reason). If a guy gets a holding call...it's just that, a holding call. I could give to shits less if it's because he using the holding blocks on aggressive or not. I've had plenty of penalties when I have nothing on (which is 98% of the time)....so it's just a game. To force someone to have this activated is total horseshit...it's like telling everyone they had to switch their spin button to triangle because if at circle, it makes it easier to spin.

as it is nice to "discuss" things on the boards freely, there comes a point where we need to agree to disagree. But docking someone points for not having this activated is 100% wrong IMO. You are automatically assuming that a guy is going to cheese that probably not the case 99% of the time. Keep in mind that since I have mine off, that means every game I've played so far hasn't had this...and I've been able to give plenty of 5's because guys I've played are NOT cheese-dickheads.

I better stop now...as we know most guys here can't read past two lines

i was reading it, then it just stopped at holding.

[Cnasty]

Just curious Pound, why do you have it off?

Just wondering why some people have chosen not to do it and see their views.

[VTrunNgun]

As for those who don't have Season Showdown on, you're just fooling yourself. Like I said before, just because big points dont pop up doesn't mean people aren't noticing. Hence a thread like this begins...

If anything, I would vote to have Season Showdown activated for everyone's accounts.

exactly my point as why it's not necessary. you can usually tell if someone is using it...keep in mind that I have mine off. That means neither of us can see any of that garbage (except the user jump snap for some reason). If a guy gets a holding call...it's just that, a holding call. I could give to shits less if it's because he using the holding blocks on aggressive or not. I've had plenty of penalties when I have nothing on (which is 98% of the time)....so it's just a game. To force someone to have this activated is total horseshit...it's like telling everyone they had to switch their spin button to triangle because if at circle, it makes it easier to spin.

as it is nice to "discuss" things on the boards freely, there comes a point where we need to agree to disagree. But docking someone points for not having this activated is 100% wrong IMO. You are automatically assuming that a guy is going to cheese that probably not the case 99% of the time. Keep in mind that since I have mine off, that means every game I've played so far hasn't had this...and I've been able to give plenty of 5's because guys I've played are NOT cheese-dickheads.

I better stop now...as we know most guys here can't read past two lines

You lost me after you quoted me I'll just assume you aggreed with me 100% haha