2010 Team Ratings--UPDATED
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2010 Team Ratings--UPDATED
This is after the roster patch. In bold is the changes that were updated.
BIG differences for a lot of teams.
Notably LSU,Oregon, and Ole Miss jumping to an A-.
Clemson, Maryland, WVU, and ND jumping to B+.
And a HUGE number of teams jumping to B or B-. Especially in the Big 10 and SEC.
I wonder if this is the final version of the rosters besides the name or another change possible??
ACC
FSU A- B+ A-
Georgia Tech B+ B A-
North Carolina B+ B+ A-
Miami B+ B+ A-
Va Tech B+ B+ A-
Clemson B+ B+ B+
Maryland B+ B+ B+
NC State B B B+
Wake Forest B B B
Virginia B B- B
Boston College B- B- B-
Duke C- C C-
Big 12
Oklahoma A+ A+ A
Texas A+ A+ A
Oklahoma St. A- A B+
Nebraska B+ B+ A-
Texas A&M B B B+
Kansas St. B B- B+
Texas Tech B- B- B-
Kansas B- B C
Baylor B- B- C-
Colorado B- B- B-
Missouri C+ B- C+
Iowa St. C- C C-
Big East
USF B+ B+ B+
West Virginia B+ B+ B+
Cincinnati B+B+ B+
Rutgers B B B+
Pitt B B B
Louisville C+ B- C
Connecticut C C+ C-
Syracuse D+ C- C-
Big Ten
Penn St. A- A- A-
Ohio St. A- B+ A
Michigan B+ B A-
Wisconsin B+ B B+
Illinois B B+ B-
Northwestern B B- B+
Purdue B B- B
Indiana B- C+ B
Iowa C+ B- C
Minnesota C+ B- C
Michigan St. C+ B- C+
Conference USA
Houston B B B-
UCF B- B- B-
Southern Miss B- B C
ECU C+ C+ C+
Tulsa C C+ C
Marshall C B- C
Memphis C B- D+
Rice C- C D+
UTEP C- C+ D+
UAB C- C D+
SMU D+ C- C-
Tulane D+ C D+
Independents
Notre Dame B+ A- B+
Navy C- C- C-
Army D C- D
MAC
Bowling Green C- C+ C-
Temple C C C
Central Mich. C B- D+
Kent St. C C+ C-
Buffalo C- C+ D+
Miami U C- C C-
Ohio C- C C-
Akron C- C C-
Toledo C- C D+
Western Michigan C- C+ D+
Ball St. C- C+ D
Northern Illinois D+ C- D+
E Mich D C- D
Mountain West
TCU B B B-
Utah B B B-
BYU B- B+ C+
SDSU C C+ C
CSU C- C C-
Air Force C- C D+
UNLV C- C D+
New Mexico D+ C D+
Wyoming D C- D
Pac-10
USC A+ A A+
Cal A- A- A-
Oregon A- B+ A
Oregon St. B+ B+ B+
Arizona B B B
ASU B B B+
Washington B B B
UCLA B- B- B-
Stanford C B- C-
Washington St. C- C+ C-
SEC
Florida A+ A+ A+
Georgia A- B+ A
Alabama A- B+ A
LSU A- A- A-
Ole Miss A- B+ A-
Tennessee B+ B+ A-
Auburn B B- B
Arkansas B- B B-
South Carolina B- B- B-
Mississippi St. B- C+ B-
Vanderbilt B- B- B
Kentucky C+ C+ C+
Sun Belt
Ark St. C- C+ C-
Troy C- C C
FIU C- C C-
UL Monroe C- C C-
FAU D+ C+ D
North Texas D+ C D+
Mid. Tenn D+ C+ D
Western Kentucky D C D
UL Lafayette D C- D
WAC
Boise St. B B B
Fresno St. C B- C
Hawaii C+ C+ C+
La Tech C B- C-
Nevada C B- D+
NMSU D+ C D+
SJSU D C D
Idaho D C D
Utah St. D D D
BIG differences for a lot of teams.
Notably LSU,Oregon, and Ole Miss jumping to an A-.
Clemson, Maryland, WVU, and ND jumping to B+.
And a HUGE number of teams jumping to B or B-. Especially in the Big 10 and SEC.
I wonder if this is the final version of the rosters besides the name or another change possible??
ACC
FSU A- B+ A-
Georgia Tech B+ B A-
North Carolina B+ B+ A-
Miami B+ B+ A-
Va Tech B+ B+ A-
Clemson B+ B+ B+
Maryland B+ B+ B+
NC State B B B+
Wake Forest B B B
Virginia B B- B
Boston College B- B- B-
Duke C- C C-
Big 12
Oklahoma A+ A+ A
Texas A+ A+ A
Oklahoma St. A- A B+
Nebraska B+ B+ A-
Texas A&M B B B+
Kansas St. B B- B+
Texas Tech B- B- B-
Kansas B- B C
Baylor B- B- C-
Colorado B- B- B-
Missouri C+ B- C+
Iowa St. C- C C-
Big East
USF B+ B+ B+
West Virginia B+ B+ B+
Cincinnati B+B+ B+
Rutgers B B B+
Pitt B B B
Louisville C+ B- C
Connecticut C C+ C-
Syracuse D+ C- C-
Big Ten
Penn St. A- A- A-
Ohio St. A- B+ A
Michigan B+ B A-
Wisconsin B+ B B+
Illinois B B+ B-
Northwestern B B- B+
Purdue B B- B
Indiana B- C+ B
Iowa C+ B- C
Minnesota C+ B- C
Michigan St. C+ B- C+
Conference USA
Houston B B B-
UCF B- B- B-
Southern Miss B- B C
ECU C+ C+ C+
Tulsa C C+ C
Marshall C B- C
Memphis C B- D+
Rice C- C D+
UTEP C- C+ D+
UAB C- C D+
SMU D+ C- C-
Tulane D+ C D+
Independents
Notre Dame B+ A- B+
Navy C- C- C-
Army D C- D
MAC
Bowling Green C- C+ C-
Temple C C C
Central Mich. C B- D+
Kent St. C C+ C-
Buffalo C- C+ D+
Miami U C- C C-
Ohio C- C C-
Akron C- C C-
Toledo C- C D+
Western Michigan C- C+ D+
Ball St. C- C+ D
Northern Illinois D+ C- D+
E Mich D C- D
Mountain West
TCU B B B-
Utah B B B-
BYU B- B+ C+
SDSU C C+ C
CSU C- C C-
Air Force C- C D+
UNLV C- C D+
New Mexico D+ C D+
Wyoming D C- D
Pac-10
USC A+ A A+
Cal A- A- A-
Oregon A- B+ A
Oregon St. B+ B+ B+
Arizona B B B
ASU B B B+
Washington B B B
UCLA B- B- B-
Stanford C B- C-
Washington St. C- C+ C-
SEC
Florida A+ A+ A+
Georgia A- B+ A
Alabama A- B+ A
LSU A- A- A-
Ole Miss A- B+ A-
Tennessee B+ B+ A-
Auburn B B- B
Arkansas B- B B-
South Carolina B- B- B-
Mississippi St. B- C+ B-
Vanderbilt B- B- B
Kentucky C+ C+ C+
Sun Belt
Ark St. C- C+ C-
Troy C- C C
FIU C- C C-
UL Monroe C- C C-
FAU D+ C+ D
North Texas D+ C D+
Mid. Tenn D+ C+ D
Western Kentucky D C D
UL Lafayette D C- D
WAC
Boise St. B B B
Fresno St. C B- C
Hawaii C+ C+ C+
La Tech C B- C-
Nevada C B- D+
NMSU D+ C D+
SJSU D C D
Idaho D C D
Utah St. D D D
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Old rosters for comparison sakes and updates:
ACC
FSU A- B+ A
Georgia Tech B+ B A-
North Carolina B+ B+ A-
Miami B+ B+ A-
Va Tech B+ B+ B+
Clemson B B+ B
Boston College B- B- B-
NC State B- B- B-
Maryland B- B C+
Wake Forest C+ B- C
Virginia C C+ C
Duke C- C C-
Big 12
Oklahoma A+ A+ A
Texas A+ A+ A
Oklahoma St. A- A B+
Nebraska B+ B+ B+
Texas Tech B- B- B-
Texas A&M B B B+
Kansas C+ B C
Kansas St. C+ C+B-
Missouri C+ B- C
Baylor C+ C+ C+
Colorado C C+ C
Iowa St. C C+ C-
Big East
USF B+ B+ B+
West Virginia B B+ B-
Cincinnati B B+ B+
Rutgers B B B+
Pitt B B B
Louisville C+ B- C
Connecticut C C+ C-
Syracuse D+ C- D+
Big Ten
Penn St. A- A- A-
Ohio St. A- B+ A
Michigan B+ B A-
Wisconsin B+ B B+
Illinois B B+ B-
Indiana B- C+ B
Iowa C+ B- C
Northwestern C+ C+ C
Purdue C+ B- C
Minnesota C B- C
Michigan St. C- C+ C-
Conference USA
UCF B- B- B-
Southern Miss B- B C+
ECU C+ C+ C+
Houston C+ C+ C+
Tulsa C C+ C-
Marshall C B- C
Memphis C B- D+
Rice C- C C-
UTEP C- C+ D+
SMU C- C- C-
Tulane D+ C D
UAB D+ C C-
Independents
Notre Dame B A- B-
Navy C- C C-
Army D+ C D
MAC
Bowling Green C C+ C
Temple C C C
Northern Illinois C- C- C-
Central Mich. C- B- D+
Kent St. C- C+ C-
Miami U C- C C-
Ohio C- C C-
Akron C- C C-
Toledo C- C D+
Western Michigan C- C+ D+
Ball St. D+ C+ D
E Mich D C- D
Buffalo D C D
Mountain West
TCU B- B- B-
Utah B- B B-
BYU C+ B C
SDSU C C+ C-
New Mexico C- C+ D+
CSU D+ C- D+
Air Force D+ C D
Wyoming D C- D
UNLV D C- D+
Pac-10
USC A+ A A+
Cal A- A- A-
Oregon B+ B+ A-
Oregon St. B+ B+ B+
Arizona B B B
ASU B B- B+
Washington C+ C+ B
UCLA C+ B- C+
Stanford C B- C
Washington St. C C+ C-
SEC
Florida A+ A+ A+
Georgia A- B+ A
Alabama A- B+ A
Tennessee B+ B+ A-
LSU B+ A- B
Ole Miss B+ B+ A-
Arkansas B- B- C+
Auburn B- B- B-
Kentucky C+ C+ C+
South Carolina C+ B- C+
Mississippi St. C C+ C
Vanderbilt C C+ C
Sun Belt
Ark St. C- C+ C-
Mid. Tenn C- C+ D+
Troy C- C D+
FAU D+ C+ D
UL Monroe D+ C D+
North Texas D D+ D+
Western Kentucky D C D
FIU D C D
UL Lafayette D C D
WAC
Boise St. B B B-
Fresno St. C B- C
Hawaii C C+ C
La Tech C B- C-
Nevada C B- D+
NMSU D+ C D+
SJSU D C- D
Idaho D C D
Utah St. D- D- D
ACC
FSU A- B+ A
Georgia Tech B+ B A-
North Carolina B+ B+ A-
Miami B+ B+ A-
Va Tech B+ B+ B+
Clemson B B+ B
Boston College B- B- B-
NC State B- B- B-
Maryland B- B C+
Wake Forest C+ B- C
Virginia C C+ C
Duke C- C C-
Big 12
Oklahoma A+ A+ A
Texas A+ A+ A
Oklahoma St. A- A B+
Nebraska B+ B+ B+
Texas Tech B- B- B-
Texas A&M B B B+
Kansas C+ B C
Kansas St. C+ C+B-
Missouri C+ B- C
Baylor C+ C+ C+
Colorado C C+ C
Iowa St. C C+ C-
Big East
USF B+ B+ B+
West Virginia B B+ B-
Cincinnati B B+ B+
Rutgers B B B+
Pitt B B B
Louisville C+ B- C
Connecticut C C+ C-
Syracuse D+ C- D+
Big Ten
Penn St. A- A- A-
Ohio St. A- B+ A
Michigan B+ B A-
Wisconsin B+ B B+
Illinois B B+ B-
Indiana B- C+ B
Iowa C+ B- C
Northwestern C+ C+ C
Purdue C+ B- C
Minnesota C B- C
Michigan St. C- C+ C-
Conference USA
UCF B- B- B-
Southern Miss B- B C+
ECU C+ C+ C+
Houston C+ C+ C+
Tulsa C C+ C-
Marshall C B- C
Memphis C B- D+
Rice C- C C-
UTEP C- C+ D+
SMU C- C- C-
Tulane D+ C D
UAB D+ C C-
Independents
Notre Dame B A- B-
Navy C- C C-
Army D+ C D
MAC
Bowling Green C C+ C
Temple C C C
Northern Illinois C- C- C-
Central Mich. C- B- D+
Kent St. C- C+ C-
Miami U C- C C-
Ohio C- C C-
Akron C- C C-
Toledo C- C D+
Western Michigan C- C+ D+
Ball St. D+ C+ D
E Mich D C- D
Buffalo D C D
Mountain West
TCU B- B- B-
Utah B- B B-
BYU C+ B C
SDSU C C+ C-
New Mexico C- C+ D+
CSU D+ C- D+
Air Force D+ C D
Wyoming D C- D
UNLV D C- D+
Pac-10
USC A+ A A+
Cal A- A- A-
Oregon B+ B+ A-
Oregon St. B+ B+ B+
Arizona B B B
ASU B B- B+
Washington C+ C+ B
UCLA C+ B- C+
Stanford C B- C
Washington St. C C+ C-
SEC
Florida A+ A+ A+
Georgia A- B+ A
Alabama A- B+ A
Tennessee B+ B+ A-
LSU B+ A- B
Ole Miss B+ B+ A-
Arkansas B- B- C+
Auburn B- B- B-
Kentucky C+ C+ C+
South Carolina C+ B- C+
Mississippi St. C C+ C
Vanderbilt C C+ C
Sun Belt
Ark St. C- C+ C-
Mid. Tenn C- C+ D+
Troy C- C D+
FAU D+ C+ D
UL Monroe D+ C D+
North Texas D D+ D+
Western Kentucky D C D
FIU D C D
UL Lafayette D C D
WAC
Boise St. B B B-
Fresno St. C B- C
Hawaii C C+ C
La Tech C B- C-
Nevada C B- D+
NMSU D+ C D+
SJSU D C- D
Idaho D C D
Utah St. D- D- D
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Re: 2010 Rosters--UPDATED
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Re: 2010 Rosters--UPDATED
Huge changes...ND'd defense went from a B- to a B+ and OVR went from a B to a B+.
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Re: 2010 Team Ratings-UPDATED
Did you download the update?packsyD22 wrote:So how do we get these rosters?
If so, you got the rosters.
You dont need to get them from the locker.
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Re: 2010 Team Ratings--UPDATED
I dont think its changed the letter grade, just the names.Nole4real wrote:anyone update these yet (again)
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k..i see one that I know is wrong....I'll double check tonight..maybe its just the 1 im looking at that is off

Re: 2010 Team Ratings--UPDATED
Iowa is wrong. When I went and did team grade updates I just went through the team list in exhibition mode since I noticed Iowa was wrong.
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So they just changed the names and the grades changed AGAIN???
Thats pretty odd.
Thats pretty odd.
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What a cluster fuck. LOL oh well, this should be the last one. We should of just been patient.Cnasty wrote:So they just changed the names and the grades changed AGAIN???
Thats pretty odd.
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Re: 2010 Team Ratings--UPDATED
I nominate Nole to do it.
Re: 2010 Team Ratings--UPDATED
I think the roster update and the patch are needed. The roster update gives us the right players and the update gives the rosters certification.
I deleted the rosters post patch and they seemed all wrong. So, I reloaded the rosters and all seems right now. Just my .02
I deleted the rosters post patch and they seemed all wrong. So, I reloaded the rosters and all seems right now. Just my .02
Re: 2010 Team Ratings--UPDATED
No, you just missed updating a few of the teams to their new grades.Cnasty wrote:So they just changed the names and the grades changed AGAIN???
Thats pretty odd.
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Oh, ok good.
So we can still use this list with just a couple updates? Did you verify?
So we can still use this list with just a couple updates? Did you verify?
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Cnasty wrote:This is after the roster patch. In bold is the changes that were updated.
BIG differences for a lot of teams.
Notably LSU,Oregon, and Ole Miss jumping to an A-.
Clemson, Maryland, WVU, and ND jumping to B+.
And a HUGE number of teams jumping to B or B-. Especially in the Big 10 and SEC.
I wonder if this is the final version of the rosters besides the name or another change possible??
ACC
FSU A- B+ A-
Georgia Tech B+ B A-
North Carolina B+ B+ A-
Miami B+ B+ A-
Va Tech B+ B+ A-
Clemson B+ B+ B+
Maryland B+ B+ B+
NC State B B B+
Wake Forest B B B
Virginia B B- B
Boston College B- B- B-
Duke C- C C-
Big 12
Oklahoma A+ A+ A
Texas A+ A+ A
Oklahoma St. A- A B+
Nebraska B+ B+ A-
Texas A&M B B B+
Kansas St. B B- B+
Texas Tech B- B- B-
Kansas B- B C
Baylor B- B- C-
Colorado B- B- B-
Missouri C+ B- C+
Iowa St. C- C C-
Big East
USF B+ B+ B+
West Virginia B+ B+ B+
Cincinnati B+B+ B+
Rutgers B B B+
Pitt B B B
Louisville C+ B- C
Connecticut C C+ C-
Syracuse D+ C- C-
Big Ten
Penn St. A- A- A-
Ohio St. A- B+ A
Michigan B+ B A-
Wisconsin B+ B B+
Illinois B B+ B-
Northwestern B B- B+
Purdue B B- B
Indiana B- C+ B
Iowa C+ B- C
Minnesota C+ B- C
Michigan St. C+ B- C+
Conference USA
Houston B B B-
UCF B- B- B-
Southern Miss B- B C
ECU C+ C+ C+
Tulsa C C+ C
Marshall C B- C
Memphis C B- D+
Rice C- C D+
UTEP C- C+ D+
UAB C- C D+
SMU D+ C- C-
Tulane D+ C D+
Independents
Notre Dame B+ A- B+
Navy C- C- C-
Army D C- D
MAC
Bowling Green C- C+ C-
Temple C C C
Central Mich. C B- D+
Kent St. C C+ C-
Buffalo C- C+ D+
Miami U C- C C-
Ohio C- C C-
Akron C- C C-
Toledo C- C D+
Western Michigan C- C+ D+
Ball St. C- C+ D
Northern Illinois D+ C- D+
E Mich D C- D
Mountain West
TCU B B B-
Utah B B B-
BYU B- B+ C+
SDSU C C+ C
CSU C- C C-
Air Force C- C D+
UNLV C- C D+
New Mexico D+ C D+
Wyoming D C- D
Pac-10
USC A+ A A+
Cal A- A- A-
Oregon A- B+ A
Oregon St. B+ B+ B+
Arizona B B B
ASU B B B+
Washington B B B
UCLA B- B- B-
Stanford C B- C-
Washington St. C- C+ C-
SEC
Florida A+ A+ A+
Georgia A- B+ A
Alabama A- B+ A
LSU A- A- A-
Ole Miss A- B+ A-
Tennessee B+ B+ A-
Auburn B B- B
Arkansas B- B B-
South Carolina B- B- B-
Mississippi St. B- C+ B-
Vanderbilt B- B- B
Kentucky C+ C+ C+
Sun Belt
Ark St. C- C+ C-
Troy C- C C
FIU C- C C-
UL Monroe C- C C-
FAU D+ C+ D
North Texas D+ C D+
Mid. Tenn D+ C+ D
Western Kentucky D C D
UL Lafayette D C- D
WAC
Boise St. B B B
Fresno St. C B- C
Hawaii C+ C+ C+
La Tech C B- C-
Nevada C B- D+
NMSU D+ C D+
SJSU D C D
Idaho D C D
Utah St. D D D
I think the above is right on
if it matches the below (which is *official* since i got it from ythe ladder where mike entered it)
TEAM GRADE
Air Force Falcons C-
Akron Zips C-
Alabama Crimson Tide A-
Arizona Wildcats B
Arizona State Sundevils B
Arkansas Razorbacks B-
Arkansas State Indians C-
Army Black Knights D
Auburn Tigers B
Ball State Cardinals C-
Baylor Bears B-
Boise State Broncos B
Boston College Eagles B-
Bowling Green Falcons C-
Brigham Young Cougars B-
Buffalo Bulls C-
California Golden Bears A-
Central Florida Golden Knights B-
Central Michigan Chippewas C
Cincinnati Bearcats B+
Clemson Tigers B+
Colorado Buffaloes B-
Colorado State Rams C-
Connecticut Huskies C
Duke Blue Devils C-
East Carolina Pirates C+
Eastern Michigan Eagles D
Florida Gators A+
Florida Atlantic Owls D+
Florida International Panthers C-
Florida State Seminoles A-
Fresno State Bulldogs C
Georgia Bulldogs A-
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets B+
Hawaii Warriors C+
Houston Cougars B
Idaho Vandals D
Illinois Fighting Illini B
Indiana Hoosiers B-
Iowa Hawkeyes B
Iowa State Cyclones C-
Kansas Jayhawks B-
Kansas State Wildcats B
Kent State Golden Flashes C
Kentucky Wildcats C+
Louisiana Tech Bulldogs C
Louisiana-Lafayette Rajun Cajuns D
Louisiana-Monroe Indians C-
Louisville Cardinals C+
LSU Tigers A-
Marshall Thundering Herd C
Maryland Terrapins B+
Memphis Tigers C
Miami Redhawks C-
Miami Hurricanes B+
Michigan Wolverines B+
Michigan State Spartans C+
Middle Tennessee State Blue Raiders D+
Minnesota Golden Gophers C+
Mississippi Rebels A-
Mississippi State Bulldogs B-
Missouri Tigers C+
Navy Midshipmen C-
NC State Wolfpack B
Nebraska Cornhuskers B+
Nevada Wolf Pack C
New Mexico Lobos C-
New Mexico State Aggies D+
North Carolina Tarheels B+
North Texas Eagles D+
Northern Illinois Huskies D+
Northwestern Wildcats B
Notre Dame Fighting Irish B+
Ohio Bobcats C-
Ohio State Buckeyes A-
Oklahoma Sooners A+
Oklahoma State Cowboys A-
Oregon Ducks A-
Oregon State Beavers B+
Penn State Nittany Lions A-
Pittsburgh Panthers B
Purdue Boilermakers B
Rice Owls C-
Rutgers Scarlet Knights B
San Diego State Aztecs C
San Jose State Spartans D
South Carolina Gamecocks B-
South Florida Bulls B+
Southern Cal Trojans A+
Southern Methodist Mustangs D+
Southern Miss Golden Eagles B-
Stanford Cardinal C
Syracuse Orangemen D+
TCU Horned Frogs B
Temple Owls C
Tennessee Volunteers B+
Texas Longhorns A+
Texas A&M Aggies B
Texas Tech Red Raiders B-
Toledo Rockets C-
Troy State Trojans C-
Tulane Green Wave D+
Tulsa Golden Hurricane C
UAB Blazers C-
UCLA Bruins B-
UNLV Rebels C-
Utah Utes B
Utah State Aggies D
UTEP Miners C-
Vanderbilt Commodores B-
Virginia Cavaliers B
Virginia Tech Hokies B+
Wake Forest Demon Decons B
Washington Huskies B
Washington State Cougars C-
West Virginia Mountaineers B+
Western Kentucky Hilltoppers D
Western Michigan Broncos C-
Wisconsin Badgers B+
Wyoming Cowboys D

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Re: 2010 Team Ratings--UPDATED
Yay, I did something right!!
I wouldnt put much faith in in. I was on my 5th Riccio can of beer by then.
I wouldnt put much faith in in. I was on my 5th Riccio can of beer by then.

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Re: 2010 Team Ratings--UPDATED
Drinking beer and doing P90. SamefulCnasty wrote:Yay, I did something right!!
I wouldnt put much faith in in. I was on my 5th Riccio can of beer by then.