Coaching staff

[GeorgesGoons]

Allow for owners to have a staff if they want to have one. I just want to have a team doctor. My team has lead the league 2 years in a row with DL time, and it wasn't even close last year (doubled the 2nd place team)

[nick]

Voting against George like a true democrat

[GeorgesGoons]

Voting against George like a true democrat

Would expect nothing less


I don't understand voting against. If you want a coach then sign them, if not then don't sign. Nothing changes unless you want coaches

[Neurotic]

I don't understand voting against. If you want a coach then sign them, if not then don't sign. Nothing changes unless you want coaches

This is not true. The fact that this is untrue is the reason we got rid of coaches.

[ajalves]

Voting against George like a true democrat

Would expect nothing less


I don't understand voting against. If you want a coach then sign them, if not then don't sign. Nothing changes unless you want coaches

if nothing changes why do you want them?

[JayGee]

if you dont want them, dont have them... really dont get why its a big deal for those of us that want coaches

[Wasted Memory]

I don't understand voting against. If you want a coach then sign them, if not then don't sign. Nothing changes unless you want coaches

This is not true. The fact that this is untrue is the reason we got rid of coaches.

Remind me.

[Neurotic]

This is not true. The fact that this is untrue is the reason we got rid of coaches.

Remind me.

The old thread is like 7 or 8 down from this one. If you want a re-hash, go parse through it. To that end, I'm pretty sure this cant even legitimately be voted on again for a few more seasons.

if you dont want them, dont have them... really dont get why its a big deal for those of us that want coaches

It is not that simple. Why put something in the game unless you're going to enforce use of it? You (collective you) clearly think that coaches have some impact on the game, otherwise why would you want them back? Seems silly to ask for something back and claim "there would be no change" for those that don't use them, when clearly you think they have some affect.

Allow for owners to have a staff if they want to have one. I just want to have a team doctor. My team has lead the league 2 years in a row with DL time, and it wasn't even close last year (doubled the 2nd place team)

I'm not sure what stats you're looking at, but your IL time is nowhere close to double the 2nd place team. Also, if you look into your specific injuries, a number of them came from fragile players. It also doesnt help that Pat Santos has been on the IL all year from a injury he had last season (also a fragile player).

[GeorgesGoons]

Allow for owners to have a staff if they want to have one. I just want to have a team doctor. My team has lead the league 2 years in a row with DL time, and it wasn't even close last year (doubled the 2nd place team)

I'm not sure what stats you're looking at, but your IL time is nowhere close to double the 2nd place team. Also, if you look into your specific injuries, a number of them came from fragile players. It also doesnt help that Pat Santos has been on the IL all year from a injury he had last season (also a fragile player).

I clearly said last season it was doubled. If you look at the 2077 thread I even put in there the days. I just want a trainer. I have never had injury issues until we got rid of coaching staffs.

And allowing coaches in game and somebody not signing them does not affect the game whatsoever for those not signing them.

[GeorgesGoons]

Voting against George like a true democrat

Would expect nothing less


I don't understand voting against. If you want a coach then sign them, if not then don't sign. Nothing changes unless you want coaches

if nothing changes why do you want them?

Nothing changes on your team if you don't want to sign coaches

[GeorgesGoons]

This is not true. The fact that this is untrue is the reason we got rid of coaches.

Remind me.

The old thread is like 7 or 8 down from this one. If you want a re-hash, go parse through it. To that end, I'm pretty sure this cant even legitimately be voted on again for a few more seasons.

This is such a lazy answer

if you dont want them, dont have them... really dont get why its a big deal for those of us that want coaches

Seems silly to ask for something back and claim "there would be no change" for those that don't use them, when clearly you think they have some affect.

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So if they do have some affect why would you not want them? If you don't think they have any affect why do you care if someone wants to spend money on coaches that have no affect in the game?

[Neurotic]

The old thread is like 7 or 8 down from this one. If you want a re-hash, go parse through it. To that end, I'm pretty sure this cant even legitimately be voted on again for a few more seasons.

This is such a lazy answer

I'm lazy for not rehasing a conversation for someone that can literally click two buttons and go read the thread themselves? Seems legit.

So if they do have some affect why would you not want them? If you don't think they have any affect why do you care if someone wants to spend money on coaches that have no affect in the game?

I never said they have no affect. I've said all along, if you could make them ML only, I would be for them. Again, I'm not going to rehash an argument we just had 3-4 months ago.


Imo, it just seems like you're crying because you had a string of bad luck with injuries and you're looking for a scape goat when in reality you have 7+ players on your active roster who are fragile.

[Neurotic]

I clearly said last season it was doubled. If you look at the 2077 thread I even put in there the days. I just want a trainer. I have never had injury issues until we got rid of coaching staffs.

And allowing coaches in game and somebody not signing them does not affect the game whatsoever for those not signing them.

One would assume when you say "last season" you're referencing the year we just finished, not two seasons ago.

[GeorgesGoons]

I clearly said last season it was doubled. If you look at the 2077 thread I even put in there the days. I just want a trainer. I have never had injury issues until we got rid of coaching staffs.

And allowing coaches in game and somebody not signing them does not affect the game whatsoever for those not signing them.

One would assume when you say "last season" you're referencing the year we just finished, not two seasons ago.

I say last season because we are still in the 2078 year. My bad

As far as the fragile comment. Most of those guys went fragile after the injuries. Pepe Gonzales was normal injury history and a 55/55 pitcher, then injuries took him down to a 30ish/30ish and fragile. I don't sign FA pitchers who are below normal.

Has nothing to do with crying regarding injuries on my team. I was completely against getting rid of coaches in the other winter meeting topics as well.

[jeheinz72]

Fragility of players matters WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY more than if you have the best trainer money can buy.

I think folks are misunderstanding what happens when a facet of the game isn't used. It doesn't vanish, it just equalizes behind the scenes for all teams. It's not like because we don't have trainers, a dude breaks his arm and he doesn't get medical attention. Or if a guy has a tight hammy, Generic Trainer isn't there to help him stretch it out so it doesn't get worse. It's just done behind the scenes, in a general sense for all teams, equally.

Ditto coaches. With no hitting coach it's not like your bats aren't getting instruction, they're just getting it behind the scenes, without a specific focus, generalized to all teams.

If you return these facets to the fold, I actually don't believe a team can then just ignore them. I believe that team would then be essentially penalized for not having someone since the generalized behind-the-scenes part is no longer the safety net in place for all teams.

Injuries happen man, and it sucks, I was top-5 this year as well and lost a 4 WAR pitcher from '77 all season long - considering I missed the playoffs by just 2 games and had a revolving door of a back end of a rotation, including literally having to sign and start a scrap heap FA 1st week of April, I was likely as impacted as anybody. But christ, take your lumps and move on, don't re-bring up a vote we just did what, 2-3 seasons ago?

[GeorgesGoons]

don't re-bring up a vote we just did what, 2-3 seasons ago?

I'll bring it up every off season if I like.

[jeheinz72]

don't re-bring up a vote we just did what, 2-3 seasons ago?

I'll bring it up every off season if I like.

Then we'll tell you it's dumb and vote no each offseason...if you like

[Jmustang1968]

So much drama for a baseball text sim game

[The_Niddler]

Fragility of players matters WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY more than if you have the best trainer money can buy.

I think folks are misunderstanding what happens when a facet of the game isn't used. It doesn't vanish, it just equalizes behind the scenes for all teams. It's not like because we don't have trainers, a dude breaks his arm and he doesn't get medical attention. Or if a guy has a tight hammy, Generic Trainer isn't there to help him stretch it out so it doesn't get worse. It's just done behind the scenes, in a general sense for all teams, equally.

Ditto coaches. With no hitting coach it's not like your bats aren't getting instruction, they're just getting it behind the scenes, without a specific focus, generalized to all teams.

If you return these facets to the fold, I actually don't believe a team can then just ignore them. I believe that team would then be essentially penalized for not having someone since the generalized behind-the-scenes part is no longer the safety net in place for all teams.

Injuries happen man, and it sucks, I was top-5 this year as well and lost a 4 WAR pitcher from '77 all season long - considering I missed the playoffs by just 2 games and had a revolving door of a back end of a rotation, including literally having to sign and start a scrap heap FA 1st week of April, I was likely as impacted as anybody. But christ, take your lumps and move on, don't re-bring up a vote we just did what, 2-3 seasons ago?

I completely agree with the top part about how it equalizes behind the scenes for all teams when we do not have them in the game.

The part about if you return these facets to the fold, I am not sure the rest is true. I find it hard to believe that they would program it differently to hurt/penalize a team because there are coaches there and I would choose not to have them.
I would think it acts the same as it does now and if you don't hire one, you would have one of the generic trainers assigned to your team.
But I have no proof of that for sure.

We would need to verify that. If it does cause a negative, then yes, it is not worth it to the many teams that would not hire them.
But if it is not true, then there really is no harm in having them and I don't understand the argument of bringing them back.
If there is no negative impact to teams that don't want them.

Now, with all of that said, I reached out to Markus in the past asking about the impact coaches had and I was told, in black and white writing, that they have very, very little impact.
He said, if you think about real life, once players get to the minor leagues, they already know how to play the game fundamentally, so coaches have very little impact.

[nick]

with so much drama in the NDLB its kinda hard being Snoop D O double G but i somehow some way keep exporting some funky ass shit like every single day.