siap... 30 for 30 Unguarded

[kdog36]

Chris Herren.

watching it now. pretty good. in fact very good. One of my top 5 of the 30 for 30.

Drugs must be a freakin powerful thing. I am greatful I have never fell for this horrible disease.

this dude was messed up.

[texasfan4444]

i watched this too. glad he finally figured it out and now hes trying to help others.

great story.

[LetsGoPeay]

Drugs must be a freakin powerful thing. I am greatful I have never fell for this horrible disease.

This isn't a shot at you or anybody else, but I really hate when people call alcoholism or drug addiction a disease. I have a hard time accepting that something self inflicted is a "disease".

[nick]

i wish i was holier than thou like you guys.

everyone has demons

[LetsGoPeay]

i wish i was holier than thou like you guys.

everyone has demons

You're missing my point. Cancer is a disease. Alcoholism is self inflicted.

[BIGmike]

Fall River...fail.

[packsyD22]

Drugs must be a freakin powerful thing. I am greatful I have never fell for this horrible disease.

This isn't a shot at you or anybody else, but I really hate when people call alcoholism or drug addiction a disease. I have a hard time accepting that something self inflicted is a "disease".

It is because your ignorant.

Lung cancer is a self inflicted cancer IMO.

[LetsGoPeay]

Drugs must be a freakin powerful thing. I am greatful I have never fell for this horrible disease.

This isn't a shot at you or anybody else, but I really hate when people call alcoholism or drug addiction a disease. I have a hard time accepting that something self inflicted is a "disease".

It is because your ignorant.

Lung cancer is a self inflicted cancer IMO.

Lung cancer can be caused by many things, not just smoking. You don't want to be an alcoholic, stop drinking. If you want to do something bad enough, you will.

[The_Niddler]

i wish i was holier than thou like you guys.

everyone has demons

You're missing my point. Cancer is a disease. Alcoholism is self inflicted.

A disease is an abnormal condition affecting the body of an organism. It is often construed to be a medical condition associated with specific symptoms and signs. It may be caused by external factors, such as infectious disease, or it may be caused by internal dysfunctions, such as autoimmune diseases. In humans, "disease" is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes pain, dysfunction, distress, social problems, and/or death to the person afflicted, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. In this broader sense, it sometimes includes injuries, disabilities, disorders, syndromes, infections, isolated symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts and for other purposes these may be considered distinguishable categories. Diseases usually affect people not only physically, but also emotionally, as contracting and living with many diseases can alter one's perspective on life, and their personality.

Death due to disease is called death by natural causes. There are four main types of disease: pathogenic disease, deficiency disease, hereditary disease, and physiological disease.


So by reading this, I see what you are saying Peay. If someone dies of alcoholism, they would not say that it is of natural causes.
It is an addiction and I understand that once a certain point hits, the person that is an alcoholic doesn't even realize they are doing it anymore.
I have a buddy that went through this.
He would drink so much and so often, it became the norm to him. He had no idea what he was doing.
So I agree that at first, it is self inflicted, but at some point, the serious cases, turns to something else very similar to a disease.

But I think that the one line above explains how the general population use the term disease broader than the medical field does:
In humans, "disease" is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes pain, dysfunction, distress, social problems, and/or death to the person afflicted, or similar problems for those in contact with the person.

And your comment about if you dont want to be an alcoholic, stop drinking, it is not that simple for some people.
That is why I understand, after seeing my friend go through it, how some people could call it a disease.

[nick]

Drugs must be a freakin powerful thing. I am greatful I have never fell for this horrible disease.

This isn't a shot at you or anybody else, but I really hate when people call alcoholism or drug addiction a disease. I have a hard time accepting that something self inflicted is a "disease".

It is because your ignorant.

Lung cancer is a self inflicted cancer IMO.

Lung cancer can be caused by many things, not just smoking. You don't want to be an alcoholic, stop drinking. If you want to do something bad enough, you will.

my grandfather drank, and then he decided one day to stop. He suffered 2 strokes and died within 3 years because his body couldn't handle the change, so please, save the "if you wanna do something you can" thought cause it becomes apart of you.

Another example, my buddies father had cancer and needed to go to a hospital. hes an alcoholic, he went through withdrawls so bad he was up for 7 days straight. it got to the point the doctors called his wife and allowed 2 beers into the hospital per day

guess if he really wanted!!! he could just quit

[nick]

LMFAO i still cannot believe you actually said that. You must live in some fairy tale world man lol

[kdog36]

Hey PEAY you PRICK!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiler!

no just kidding

I actaully agree with you also It is not a disease and I agree with that.

A choice is not a disease.

I used the wrong word.

[LetsGoPeay]

LMFAO i still cannot believe you actually said that. You must live in some fairy tale world man lol

Correct me if I'm wrong but at some point alcoholics make conscious decisions to drink, correct? I have no pity for people who make bad decisions knowing full well there could be consequences somewhere down the line.

[kdog36]

LMFAO i still cannot believe you actually said that. You must live in some fairy tale world man lol

Correct me if I'm wrong but at some point alcoholics make conscious decisions to drink, correct? I have no pity for people who make bad decisions knowing full well there could be consequences somewhere down the line.

correct

my liver hates me right now.

but like gays. I can use the excuse.....I was born this way I cant help it.

[texasfan4444]

Hey PEAY you PRICK!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiler!

no just kidding

I actaully agree with you also It is not a disease and I agree with that.

A choice is not a disease.

I used the wrong word.

They have a choice to start. But at some point the becomes dependent on it like oxygen or water. When you stop it and you try to do it cold turkey it can have serious implications like Nick and Jeffmo Jr stated.

I agree that its a choice but it becomes a dependency at some point and some people dont really have a choice at point without major help.

[Crowes]

LMFAO i still cannot believe you actually said that. You must live in some fairy tale world man lol

Correct me if I'm wrong but at some point alcoholics make conscious decisions to drink, correct? I have no pity for people who make bad decisions knowing full well there could be consequences somewhere down the line.

Agreed.

[trendon]

Drugs must be a freakin powerful thing. I am greatful I have never fell for this horrible disease.

This isn't a shot at you or anybody else, but I really hate when people call alcoholism or drug addiction a disease. I have a hard time accepting that something self inflicted is a "disease".

I spent a year in a state-mandated rehab program and calling it a "disease" - as stupid as that is - isn't one-tenth as preposterous as everything else they say. Did you know that the entire continent of Europe are alcoholics and in need of help?

[shel311]

LMFAO i still cannot believe you actually said that. You must live in some fairy tale world man lol

The only problem is that the actual definition of disease disagrees with you.

That's kind of a biggie.

[trendon]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7arwILn2zFA[/youtube]

About 5:05: Talks about the difference between Russia and America with regards to drinking. The whole video is pretty funny and Milla is, of course, beautiful. Some funny jokes about Milla's use of guns in every film, differences in wedding customs

[DRiccio21]

there is a follow up documentary on this called 'the first day' on ESPN

super powerful stuff and highly recommended if you know anyone suffering.

i grew up a few miles from Herren and my bro used to play against him in basketball as a kid... he's like almost every dude i grew up with.

as for the debate above, i somehow missed that 8 years ago. we all change and i'm sure there was a point in my life where i agreed with the premise of what Peay was trying to say but as i've grown as a person i don't think its necessary to really 'debate' about the word 'disease' as much as it is to have empathy to folks who are suffering... for whatever reason. there are tons of reasons why people go to dark places, whats important is how we empower them to be better.

as i continue to grow, i think i've realized there really isn't much to life other than trying to prevent suffering for others and offering love... whether thats to our family, friends or strangers and especially to yourself. having empathy and sympathy don't need to be the same. i don't have sympathy for people all that much but i certainly can understand the pain and hope they get better and do everything in my power to try to be there. i will never stop rooting for people in pain to get better. thats the core of love to me.