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Post by **ajalves** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:23 am

DRiccio21 wrote:i... just don't tell me what i have to do to be accepted by Jesus, thats where i get turned off and i think thats why most people move away from religion.

amen

Post by **ajalves** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:24 am

ajalves wrote:
DRiccio21 wrote:... just don't tell me what i have to do to be accepted by Jesus, thats where i get turned off and i think thats why most people move away from religion.
amen

Post by **ajalves** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:26 am

vicktim7 wrote:biblically speaking, that would have nothing to do with your afterlife. the bible states that it comes down to one decision, and ironically enough it's the same decision pilate had to deal with: what do we do with Jesus? if we accept his gift to us, it's a regeneration of spirit (that's where the "born again" term comes from) that has an impact on our behavior. while no one will be sinless, it does have an impact on our desires, i.e. it will make the behavior you mentioned something that one might not want to take part in. it's about a submission to God's will vs our will. the bible isn't about a rule book in which we get strikes put against us. in fact, it tells us that all of us sin. the question is, what will we do with Jesus? the "rules" given in the bible are for our benefit, spiritually, emotionally, and physically.

there's a great c.s. lewis quote that fits the train of thought you're stating because it is a thought that many people share. it goes something like this:

"there are two kinds of people in the world: those who say to God, 'thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'thy will be done.'"

you stated that you respect everyone's choices and so do i. ultimately, so does God.

i mean, dont misunderstand....i was never dogging girls out for fun or anything.....

jeffdaddy · Post by **jeffdaddy** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:54 am

LMAO Dave, bad ass line!!

And yeah, thats right, I did go through the drunk monologue of my sex shit, LOL...

But like I said, I fucking love babes and I love 3rd base..

Stan was face down Corey BTW

Post by **ajalves** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:01 pm

jeffdaddy wrote:LMAO Dave, bad ass line!!

And yeah, thats right, I did go through the drunk monologue of my sex shit, LOL...

But like I said, I fucking love babes and I love 3rd base..

Stan was face down Corey BTW

still wish you would have got that camera from the rental place

Post by **Hoos** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:14 pm

I'm pretty sure we are just living in a computer simulation.

How shitty would that be if it was true?

Post by **Cnasty** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:22 pm

jeffdaddy wrote:Stan was face down Corey BTW

Yea, I didnt know if this was pre-Stan knockout or post Stan second win drinking like the true eskimo he is!

packsyD22 · Post by **packsyD22** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:18 pm

I agree with you 100% Dave I think there is a higher power, that explains sometimes why certain type of "miracles" happen. I think if your a good person and not malicious etc. then you will ultimately be judged by a higher power after you pass.

As far as no sex before marriage I would want to know how my wife is in the sack before we got married.....so thats not happening.

vicktim7 · Post by **vicktim7** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:31 pm

what is the standard of "good?" what is the deciding factor between being a "good person" or not?

packsyD22 · Post by **packsyD22** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:56 pm

vicktim7 wrote:what is the standard of "good?" what is the deciding factor between being a "good person" or not?

Being a "good" person in my mind is what you classify as being a good person, basically its kind of like your own opinion of yourself. We all have done things that we may not be proud of (I know I have) but thats a part of learning and growing up. I think I am a good person but thats my opinion......I am positive is at least one person who thinks I am not a good person, but then that person in my opinion does not really know me.......

My o my how we have gotten off topic...lol

vicktim7 · Post by **vicktim7** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:02 pm

packsyD22 wrote:
vicktim7 wrote:what is the standard of "good?" what is the deciding factor between being a "good person" or not?
Being a "good" person in my mind is what you classify as being a good person, basically its kind of like your own opinion of yourself. We all have done things that we may not be proud of (I know I have) but thats a part of learning and growing up. I think I am a good person but thats my opinion......I am positive is at least one person who thinks I am not a good person, but then that person in my opinion does not really know me.......

My o my how we have gotten off topic...lol

we always get off topic on these things, lol. it's our nature.

my point with the question is that yes, it does come down to our opinion of what's good. my opinions may vary from yours, and you are spot on to say that we all have done things we're not proud of. we're not perfect. however, if you believe in God and a final judgment, how can we be judged on an opinion. wouldn't there have to be a standard to go by?

fsupenguin · Post by **fsupenguin** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:39 pm

vicktim7 wrote:what is the standard of "good?" what is the deciding factor between being a "good person" or not?

There is no such thing as a good person. Every day I get up I am depraved and self centered, this only changes when I speak time with my Lord and get my head on right to serve others that day. If not for Him, there is no possible way I could be working in the service industry for the past 10+ years. I would have killed some people by now for sure, I'm not kidding.

packsyD22 · Post by **packsyD22** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:13 pm

I disagree. I think there are millions of good people. There just are not any perfect people out there.

sunspotiens · Post by **sunspotiens** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:58 pm

jeffdaddy wrote: And this whole Obama thing is wild...if Obama's faggot ass were in sports...he would make North Carolinas Roy Williams give up 4 of there Mickey D's All Americans and give them to sorry ass Depaul....so Depaul would have some as well...because it really isnt fair that UNC is big dog and recruits all these players.

thanks god Obama cant mess with recruits

That's a shame...I'd like to see Depaul good again.

jsence2 · Post by **jsence2** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:41 pm

LetsGoPeay wrote:
jsence2 wrote:I've made mistakes; I have asked forgiveness for them, and "asking for forgiveness" doesn't simply mean saying "Sorry, God" and then doing it again;

it means asking for not only His forgiveness for that transgression, but also for the strength and the wisdom to keep from giving into that temptation again, or re-committing that sin.
Ahh, the old Christian "Get of Jail Free Card". Yeah I love that one. I'll do what I want when I want and I'm fine as long as I acknowledge it and ask for forgiveness. Whoever thought that one up was a genius.

It is obvious that you stopped reading before you got to the above-bold/italicized sentence. It's not a "get out of jail free" card. The Lord knows the words on your tongue and the thoughts in your mind and the feelings in your heart, before you pray them to Him. He knows if you are truly asking for forgiveness, or just trying to say "sorry" and do it again. You can't pull the wool over the eyes of the Lord.

If you ask for forgiveness but you aren't truly sorry and REMORSEFUL, and want the strength and courage and wisdom to keep from committing the same sins again, then you are just praying empty words.

But I'm not sure why I even bother, you refuse to actually have a discussion about this. For you, it is simply about making jokes and taking shots. I have no problem discussing my faith with doubters who have honest questions and honestly are curious. People who just want to attack, I can do no more than pray for your eyes to be opened, and then move on to others who truly want to get answers.

Post by **shel311** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:45 pm

LetsGoPeay wrote:
jsence2 wrote:I've made mistakes; I have asked forgiveness for them, and "asking for forgiveness" doesn't simply mean saying "Sorry, God" and then doing it again;

it means asking for not only His forgiveness for that transgression, but also for the strength and the wisdom to keep from giving into that temptation again, or re-committing that sin.
Ahh, the old Christian "Get of Jail Free Card". Yeah I love that one. I'll do what I want when I want and I'm fine as long as I acknowledge it and ask for forgiveness. Whoever thought that one up was a genius.

I always thought that as well.

You could be a serial killing, child molesting Ball State fan,b ut as long as you believe in God and ask for forgiveness, you're going to heaven. Or not to that extent of killing, but you could just be a shitty person who doesnt care or every do anything for anyone and you only look out for yourself. But if one day when you're 70, you truly find God and ask for forgiveness, God says, "No biggie,c ome join me in heaven." WTF is that.

But if a dude doesn't believe in God but lives his life always putting others first, always doing the correct thing blah blah blah, that guy wont go to heaven over the Serial Killer?

That shit makes ZERO sense to me.

Post by **shel311** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:48 pm

fsupenguin wrote:
vicktim7 wrote:what is the standard of "good?" what is the deciding factor between being a "good person" or not?

There is no such thing as a good person. Every day I get up I am depraved and self centered, this only changes when I speak time with my Lord and get my head on right to serve others that day. If not for Him, there is no possible way I could be working in the service industry for the past 10+ years. I would have killed some people by now for sure, I'm not kidding.

So, what about those people who dont speak with the Lord every day but still go out that day and are pretty much always nice to others, help out others, or willing to put others first before themselves.

Those are not good people?

jsence2 · Post by **jsence2** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:56 pm

packsyD22 wrote:I disagree. I think there are millions of good people. There just are not any perfect people out there.

There is one. His name is Jesus Christ.

As for "good people", there are plenty of "good people" who will not see the kingdom of Heaven. Good works are required by the Lord as acts of repentance. It's not just about saying "sorry".

The Bible CLEARLY STATES:

Ephesians 2:8-9--For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast.

John 3:3--Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5--Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (aka baptism)
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But the Book of James says it the best:

KJV Bible - Book of James - Chapter 2

14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man says he has faith, but has no works? Can faith save him?

15 And if a brother or sister is naked and in lack of daily food,

16 and one of you tells them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled;" and yet you didn't give them the things the body needs, what good is it?

17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead in itself.

18 Yes, a man will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.

jsence2 · Post by **jsence2** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:01 pm

Shel, you need to read up on Saul.

Saul was one of the worst persecutors of Christians. He killed hundreds of them under Roman instructions.

Saul was overcome with the Holy Spirit and became Paul, the writer of many of the Letters of the New Testament as well as much of the New Testament.

You don't get that SAYING "I'm sorry" IS NOT ENOUGH. The Lord knows if you are being honest. You have to BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, that He is the Son of the Living God, and that through Him and ONLY THROUGH HIM, you can be forgiven of your sins and saved.

I will try to say this ONE MORE TIME, since you two keep conveniently overlooking it:

Repentance means asking for not only His forgiveness for that transgression, but also for the strength and the wisdom to keep from giving into that temptation again, or re-committing that sin.

Post by **shel311** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:03 pm

So, like i said, a serial killer or child rapist, TRULY AND HONESTLY asks for forgiveness at some point and does all the things the Bible says about repenting and all of that.

Then you have a truly caring person, ALWAYS looks out for others, and basically does the right thing his entire life in regards to treating others, but he doesn't believe in God.

You're telling me that the 1st guy goes to Heaven and the 2nd guy goes to Hell.

I honestly don't want to go to THAT Heaven IF that is true.

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