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Blue Wall of Silence for the win!

1. Beat the fuck out of woman while she is handcuffed after you turned camera off
2. Get suspended
3. Have your own police friends fuck up investigation procedures.
4. Profit
5. Profit with back pay!

Original situation

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http://reason.com/blog/show/135952.html
In 2007, Shreveport police officer Wiley Willis arrested 38-year-old Angela Garbarino on suspicion of drunken driving. While in custody, as captured on the video below, Garbarino begins arguing with Willis about what she said is her right to make a phone call. About a minute later, Willis walks over and turns off the video camera. When the camera comes back on, Garbarino is lying on the floor in a pool of her own blood. She was later photographed with severe facial injuries she says were the result of Willis beating her. Willis' attorney stated that she tripped and fell while the camera was off. After the video went viral, Willis was fired, but has never been criminally charged.

Last month, the Shreveport Municipal Fire and Police Civil Service Board voted to reinstate Willis on the police force. He'll get full back pay and benefits for the year-and-a-half he was fired. The reason? During the internal investigation of Willis, a polygraph machine operator failed to record the results of his Q&A with Willis. This apparently is a violation of Louisiana's "Police Officer's Bill of Rights," a set of guidelines every department must follow when investigating officer misconduct.
Nobody is stepping up. Once again, all the non-violent cops prove how bad and shitty human beings they are.
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Yep ALL cops must have been in on this one. Really dude? No one is going to argue that there are police departments who are literally completely corrupt. I have seen too much with my own eyes what these guys tend to deal with all the time to even begin to think it is fair the way they all get lumped together as abusive and out of control.
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Louisiana is always backwards, i mean Shel did come from there :D

sorry waldo
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VeniVediV1ci wrote:Louisiana is always backwards, i mean Shel did come from there :D

sorry waldo

You might have something there.
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fsupenguin wrote:Yep ALL cops must have been in on this one. Really dude? No one is going to argue that there are police departments who are literally completely corrupt. I have seen too much with my own eyes what these guys tend to deal with all the time to even begin to think it is fair the way they all get lumped together as abusive and out of control.
This goes on more than you and I think or know; this is just a gross example. I wish I could find the story of the cop who was beaten, vandalized, and nearly raped because she had the audacity to arrest a fellow cop.

I mean, I know it is "just Trendon" but you don't find it odd that I can find a news story every three days and I am not even looking yet? Or am I just being nuts?
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http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/200 ... 128610.txt

All bar managers are BAD! blah blah blah.
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beercop wrote:http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/200 ... 128610.txt

All bar managers are BAD! blah blah blah.
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1. When caught, he will be fired and prosecuted in a public trial as opposed to given desk duties and a light suspension while details of the case are difficult to find.
2. You have a lot more bar and restaurant managers to go to even come to 1/10th of the amount of bad cops running around even with the greater amount of cops.

I'll tell you, though, I wish I lived in your jurisdiction. Apparently, every officer in your precinct is 100% cognizant of a citizen's civil rights, uses proper judgment in lieu of Nazi "it's my job" excuses, and never has forced anyone, including yourself, to ever look the other way for a co-worker.

I applaud you and I am still unsure if I am being facetious or not largely because I don't believe you.
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fsupenguin wrote:Yep ALL cops must have been in on this one. Really dude? No one is going to argue that there are police departments who are literally completely corrupt. I have seen too much with my own eyes what these guys tend to deal with all the time to even begin to think it is fair the way they all get lumped together as abusive and out of control.

Yeah we were actually ALL in on this one :roll: To bad you cant find all the stories and videos of all the things the police do right or help on. Then again thats not really news worthy or what people want to hear. They dont want to know about anything but the juicy scandals. Did you hear the one the other day about the call where I had a burglary and 6 hours later I had arrested 3 people and got all the ladys stuff back to her. Or the armed robbery we had with a man using a shotgun and we caught him before he could do it again. No you didnt...maybe because none of those people got beaten I guess thats why you didnt hear about it.

There is not a single job out there that somewhere in its organization doesnt have people working for them that should never have gotten that job. The Police is no different and when guys get thier jobs back like in this case its because someone messed up and didnt follow procedure right. Just like when criminals on the street get arrested and things arent done right by procedure they get to walk free. Doesnt mean they didnt do something wrong just means that our system has always allowed for the use of loopholes.

As far as I'm concerned the media is a huge portion of the problem. Ive been standing there while guys were interviewed and the media takes a small portion of wordage and makes it look totally different when they play it on TV later. Its because they gotta edit it for our viewing because they know we want it juicy or we dont care to watch.
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The way you portray your BS is that every cop knows each other and there is this big secret we are keeping from the rest of society. Yes, I have respect for other officers because I know what they have gone through to get to where they are at. A lot are military too, so that just adds to it. Go to officer.com and see how many are killed everyday but you never hear any one complain. You want to cherry pick the bad apples and say" Look, he is a shit head so they are all shitheads" If a cop is dirty and doing the wrong thing then I will leave him out to dry and hope he rots in jail. But if my guys are doing the right thing then I will back them all the way to the end, PERIOD!

If you are going to post the bad then post the good with it. I don't think anyone will have a problem with that and you will make yourself look a whole lot better in the process.
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On thing I want to remind everyone of when they are making these judgements. Being the Police is not really comparable to other jobs. We are put in bad situations all day long and expected to never make a mistake and never lose our cool EVER..otherwise its an abuse of power. Try having a job where people call you and when you show up they act like you are the person who did this bad thing to them. They curse at you tell you what you and arent going to do or they are going to sue you. When you do your job and arrest people some want to fight and resist and try to hurt you to get away but you are supposed to be nice about it and say "Now dont resist...please sir dont hit me or fight me...I'm only going to put these cuffs on you". Fuck that...if I'm doing my job and you have to go to jail I am going to put cuffs on you and take you to jail by the book. But if you fight me and try to hit and kick and punch me...I'm fighting back. Im not going to stand there and get beaten on for doing my job! Not really a defense to the above case because that situation doesnt apply there but just a general comment about when police seen as beating someone...I can say I have never seen anyone get arrested and beat when I was there that that person didnt start fighting or resisting while we tried to do our job.

We had two Officers go out last year with injuries they got during fights while trying to make an arrest. One had his knee completly blown out when he was tackled by a guy who didnt want to go to jail and the other a guy was already in cuffs and still tried to fight the Officer and tore his rotator and seperated his shoulder restraining a CUFFED man! Oh and by the way neither of those guys were beaten either they just went to jail.
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WJ5811 wrote:On thing I want to remind everyone of when they are making these judgements. Being the Police is not really comparable to other jobs. We are put in bad situations all day long and expected to never make a mistake and never lose our cool EVER..otherwise its an abuse of power. Try having a job where people call you and when you show up they act like you are the person who did this bad thing to them. They curse at you tell you what you and arent going to do or they are going to sue you. When you do your job and arrest people some want to fight and resist and try to hurt you to get away but you are supposed to be nice about it and say "Now dont resist...please sir dont hit me or fight me...I'm only going to put these cuffs on you". Fuck that...if I'm doing my job and you have to go to jail I am going to put cuffs on you and take you to jail by the book. But if you fight me and try to hit and kick and punch me...I'm fighting back. Im not going to stand there and get beaten on for doing my job! Not really a defense to the above case because that situation doesnt apply there but just a general comment about when police seen as beating someone...I can say I have never seen anyone get arrested and beat when I was there that that person didnt start fighting or resisting while we tried to do our job.

We had two Officers go out last year with injuries they got during fights while trying to make an arrest. One had his knee completly blown out when he was tackled by a guy who didnt want to go to jail and the other a guy was already in cuffs and still tried to fight the Officer and tore his rotator and seperated his shoulder restraining a CUFFED man! Oh and by the way neither of those guys were beaten either they just went to jail.
i 1000000% support this statement.

however, can some of them tamp down the assholeness while pulling "normal" people over :)
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beercop wrote:The way you portray your BS is that every cop knows each other and there is this big secret we are keeping from the rest of society. Yes, I have respect for other officers because I know what they have gone through to get to where they are at. A lot are military too, so that just adds to it. Go to officer.com and see how many are killed everyday but you never hear any one complain. You want to cherry pick the bad apples and say" Look, he is a shit head so they are all shitheads" If a cop is dirty and doing the wrong thing then I will leave him out to dry and hope he rots in jail. But if my guys are doing the right thing then I will back them all the way to the end, PERIOD!

If you are going to post the bad then post the good with it. I don't think anyone will have a problem with that and you will make yourself look a whole lot better in the process.
Well, we all know what the cops do well. We also know what job procedures they follow that are suspect, but perceived to be good ... but I'll admit that isn't their fault but leadership's fault from the captain to the mayor to the lawmakers. But, then I'll take the Chris Rock stance in that you shouldn't get credit for something you are SUPPOSED to do, if you recall that skit.

And, actually, being an officer is only four times more deadly than living a normal civilian life and it isn't even in the Top 10 professions. In fact, I once read a report (which I cannot substantiate at the moment) that said most officers die in vehicle-related incidents and by friendly fire, whether that makes it any better or not is negotiable.

But I hate the police because they are the forefront of the police state/solider mentality law enforcement has on the citizen. In my opinion, the current size of the police force does infinite more harm than good.

As for your last point, I am not sure if you know, but I am working on a website that will be loosely entitled "Good Cop, Bad Cop". I am unsure if I want to increase the scope of it to all governmental, educational, and parental incidents, but I definitely am doing that. It will basically be a website that will list - and list only, no opinion, every time a cop hits the press. And I want to keep a scoreboard per jurisdiction - good and bad - and we shall see. Of course, the cop who tasers the fuck out of someone gets in the news while the guy he tasers while he was throwing axes doesn't ... so I need to find a way to factor that in.

But, all in all, I'd be extremely silent if "desk duty" wasn't the end result of 90% of a police officer's crimes against humanity. But, that's what it is and it sucks because the cops of today aren't the same ones I grew up admiring, even my cousins, who are complete dickheads compared to their fathers. They are soldiers and we are the enemy and if we do not comply with their demands - no matter how stupid or illegal - we will be beaten or tased.
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WJ5811 wrote:On thing I want to remind everyone of when they are making these judgements. Being the Police is not really comparable to other jobs. We are put in bad situations all day long and expected to never make a mistake and never lose our cool EVER..otherwise its an abuse of power.
Sadly, that is part of the job. You are our servant and I don't mean that in a negative way like I am saying you are beneath the citizen ... you are the same. It is like my waiters. They can't understand why they have to be nice to assholes or just ignore them. That's their job that they signed up for. Raise the stakes for the police: bigger assholes with bigger threats and, in turn, a greater ability to ruin someone's life. Unlike other jobs, though, NOBODY IS GOING TO COVER UP SHIT AFTERWARDS AND HAVE 75% OF THE POPULACE HELPING ALONG.

That said, notice I never complain about things that happen during arrests. Have you ever seen me complain about this sort of thing? No, it is the outright brutality and the future cover-up(s) that sends me nuts. The Blue Wall of Silence is the most fucked thing in this country because it erodes civilian trust at the most obvious and basic level.

Let's play a little game and do me a favor and ACTUALLY PLAY it.

1. Go here and watch the video. You don't have to watch the whole thing. It is the video above of a woman being an asshole, camera going off, and she wakes up lying in a pool of her own blood. Whatever.

2. More importantly, look at related videos. HOLY SHIT! And imagine what happened prior to the proliferation of cameras everywhere. H-O-L-Y-S-H-I-T!!!!! I have personally seen two cases of extreme police brutality in my life and I am only one man in one city and I don't even live in the "bad part."

3. Come back and tell me I am completely insane. You can disagree with me, but if you tell me I am insane, then I will call you ignorant.
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ajalves wrote: i 1000000% support this statement.

however, can some of them tamp down the assholeness while pulling "normal" people over :)

Yeah I hear that alot too. I cant defend that... and yes it does happen. I can only say that I think sometimes cops get that way because EVERYONE argues with them and they start getting on the defensive right away because they expect it. I try to talk to people they way I think they are used to. And what I mean by that is if I am dealing with someone on the northside of my community they are going to be more upper class and they will be polite and I will to. On the eastside however its "what the fuck did you motherfuckers pull me over for". When I get that I talk alittle different. Here Ill give you an example of how both would go (real examples that have happened).

Northside Stop:

Officer - How you doing today?

Driver - Okay...what did I do?

Officer - Well you didnt use your turn signal back there and kinda cut that other car off...does your turn signal work?

Driver - Oh yes, I must have forgot or wasnt paying attention...and I didnt see that car?

Officer - Okay well Im going to write you a warning ticket for the turn signal and try to pay more attention next time so we dont have an accident.

Driver - Okay officer, thank you.

Officer - Okay, your free to go have a good day.

Eastside Stop:

Officer - How you doing today?

Driver - What the fuck you pull me over for...you motherfuckers are always harrassing a motherfucker.

Officer - Well apparently either your turn signal doesnt work or you dont know how to use it because you cut over in front of that car without signaling.

Driver - Oh what the fuck ever man...its just any excuse for you isnt it...any reason to pull over a motherfucker and thats it right?

Officer - Nope just violations of the vehicle code not excuses...but Ill prove that to you cause Im going to write down the sections of the vehicle code here on your tickets...I also see your not wearing your seatbelt either...it would sure break my heart if you got into an accident and something happened because you didnt have that on...Ill have to give you a ticket for that too to remind you about saftey.

Driver - Do what ever the fuck you want cause your just gonna do it anyway.

Officer -(after tickets are issued) you are free to go... watch for traffic when you pull away.

Driver - I know how to drive I dont have to watch for traffic I have to watch for you motherfuckers.

Officer - Okay then...use that turn signal when you pull away so you dont get another ticket.

Driver - Fuck you

Same violations but different examples how how to deal with different people.
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trendon wrote:
3. Come back and tell me I am completely insane. You can disagree with me, but if you tell me I am insane, then I will call you ignorant.

Hey, when I watch the video and see the pics it leads me to the same conclusion. However its only what is shown...if thats all there is then the conclusion would be the officer beat her. If he did he was wrong and she was cuffed and he should lose his job. But even if he is I cant say they are ALL (myself included) bad. Many things llike this where a guy gets his job back are becasue someone fucked up and didnt follow proper procedure. According to what was said someone didnt do something right with his polygraph and so the procedure wasnt followed to allow them to properly fire him. See part of the problem is we have all these procedures that everyone has to follow that when one thing isnt done the right way then it fucks it all up and it isnt about right and wrong anymore its about did you follow procedure. If not its like the incident never happened.
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can you post a guide for how to act when you're pulled over that will give you the best chance at getting a warning, if in fact you're in the wrong?

Thank you kindly.
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WJ5811 wrote:Here Ill give you an example of how both would go (real examples that have happened).

Northside Stop:

Officer - How you doing today?

Driver - Okay...what did I do?

Officer - Well you didnt use your turn signal back there and kinda cut that other car off...does your turn signal work?

Driver - Oh yes, I must have forgot or wasnt paying attention...and I didnt see that car?

Officer - Okay well Im going to write you a warning ticket for the turn signal and try to pay more attention next time so we dont have an accident.

Driver - Okay officer, thank you.

Officer - Okay, your free to go have a good day.

Eastside Stop:

Officer - How you doing today?

Driver - What the fuck you pull me over for...you motherfuckers are always harrassing a motherfucker.

Officer - Well apparently either your turn signal doesnt work or you dont know how to use it because you cut over in front of that car without signaling.

Driver - Oh what the fuck ever man...its just any excuse for you isnt it...any reason to pull over a motherfucker and thats it right?

Officer - Nope just violations of the vehicle code not excuses...but Ill prove that to you cause Im going to write down the sections of the vehicle code here on your tickets...I also see your not wearing your seatbelt either...it would sure break my heart if you got into an accident and something happened because you didnt have that on...Ill have to give you a ticket for that too to remind you about saftey.

Driver - Do what ever the fuck you want cause your just gonna do it anyway.

Officer -(after tickets are issued) you are free to go... watch for traffic when you pull away.

Driver - I know how to drive I dont have to watch for traffic I have to watch for you motherfuckers.

Officer - Okay then...use that turn signal when you pull away so you dont get another ticket.

Driver - Fuck you

Same violations but different examples how how to deal with different people.
Both of these people are fucking idiots, one being ruder than the other. There are only a few things you should ever say to an officer whether it is for a traffic violation or genocide investigation.

1. Hello, officer.
2. Yes, sir, I have my identification
3. Am I free to go, officer?
4. Goodbye, officer. Thank you.

There is nothing else. People seem to think that the cop's job is negotiate with him. No, he is to citate, detain, and arrest people. Occasionally, they write a police report so the insurance company will believe your side of the story. THAT IS IT.

How to handle a traffic stop, Trendon style.

1a. Pull over in a way the cop won't get killed, turn on your dome light, shut off the engine, roll your window down (see 1b), put your hands on top of the steering wheel and turn your palms upward. They don't want to die and you could be a maniac. I had one cocksucking faggot cop come over and immediately say, "I see you've done this before." Fuck him.

1b. Roll your window down only a crack; just enough to speak with him and hand him your particulars. Otherwise, he WILL poke his head in and start looking around. Contraband is only contraband if he sees it and you just invited him into your car if you leave the window open. More than like, he will ask for you to lower the window further and immediately comply. Say nothing.

2a. As soon as he is done looking things over, immediately ask why you are being pulled over. DO NOT LET HIM START THE CONVERSATION. These guys are trained to play trap games where they lead the conversation. Ask if you are free to go. He won't answer you, instead choosing to gather information (THEIR FUCKING JOB!) by asking some form of "do you know why..." or "I pulled you over because..." Do not answer.

2b. SAY NOTHING. "I don't know" is a completely valid answer. Asking HIM a question is valid. Staring blankly at the officer is also OK ... this isn't your mom or the judge, you can NOT answer.

2c. Why? Remember the Miranda Right? "everything you say can and will be used AGAINST you" Against you. Not for you. That's not the cop's job. If you try and bring the cop on the stand to help you, the prosecutor will immediately stand up in his shitty suit and say, "Objection, heresay." And it is.

3. The cop has made up his mind on whether or not he is ticketing you. Let him decide on his own, don't help him. Depositions include everything you say and do. Do and say as little as possible. Thank him for his time and move on.

4. If he asks you to step out of the vehicle, take the keys out of the ignition, roll up the window, open the door, lock the door, and close the door. He will quiz you on this. Say it is force of habit. If you leave the door open, it is another invite. IMMEDIATELY ask (politely) if you are free to go, officer.

5. the key to dealing with cops is to either ask them a question before they can at every turn. Do it politely. If you let them get rolling, you will start answering questions with no right answers.

6. Take your ticket, if applicable and go to court. Know that you have given yourself the best possible chance in court because you didn't say anything that can be used against you. Also, by not saying ANYTHING, you reduced the chance you will get implicated in some nearby crime that you didn't commit. "Where are you going/ coming from?" is the worst fucking question on earth. You can implicate yourself for a crime you didn't commit just because you were near it. If the cops don't have any leads, you become the main suspect ... all for a fucking taillight being out.

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Oh, refuse every search. EVERY ONE. Fourth amendment.

Also, remember to keep asking if you can leave. The police can only keep you detained for a certain amount of time before they are violating your rights of being held. However, they are not obligated to let you go if you don't ask. If you don't ask, you might be there for a long time.

And

SHUT
YOUR
PASSENGERS
UP
EVEN
IF
THEY
HAVE
INFO
THAT
ACTUALLY
WILL
HELP
YOU!!!!!!

SHUT THOSE FUCKS UP!
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VeniVediV1ci wrote:can you post a guide for how to act when you're pulled over that will give you the best chance at getting a warning, if in fact you're in the wrong?

Thank you kindly.

Again its still going to be different officers and different kinds of people your dealing with so it wont work all the time. We have a female officer in our department who is notorious for writing a ticket for every violation she sees and makes no exceptions. She writes 10 or more a day. So if she stops you nothing I tell you will help :P .

1. Be polite (its refreshing for the officer when someone is polite to them).

2. Give an honest answer (I hate the BS stories that I get everytime).

3. Dont argue if you know you were wrong (if you dont think you were then I would never say just do that but if you know its legit dont argue just to argue).

4. Dont make it personnal (its not like the officer knows you and was waiting to catch you that day because they dont like you).

I cant say you will get out of every ticket but you have a better chance this way. Im not a big ticket writer so these things go along way with me. Some officers will write it anyway just because they want to look like they are doing thier job and they need to stay productive. Also you gotta realize sometimes we are working certain areas where the DOT or public have expressed concerns (usually for speeding) and so an officer will get sent there and told you will write tickets for anyone going over the speed limit in this area (usually a set speed limit like 10 mph over in an area like this will get you a ticket no matter what because the officer has too). Hope this helps.
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