2089 Season Thread - Where's the Beef?

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wdoupis wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:16 am It’s because colors don’t mean anything. People look and see 20 green position players and think there is tons of talent in free agency but there just isn’t. There are a few guys that I can’t see why they aren’t signed like Jose Garcia but most of them aren’t starter caliber with their makeup
Yeah I don't think i agree either with the "theres too much talent in the league" I think its more of a the rating system is just jacked up- no way the majority of these guys should be rated as high as they are
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Yeah, I think the algorithm that comes up with potential is stupid so you can be elite at one thing and be a 53 potential but a waste of a 26 man slot.
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2 new teams would help expansion Time.
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ajalves wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:32 am it doesnt help that behind the scenes things are getting tweaked so its tough to really know what you're getting
I might have missed something during my evacuation period but I thought Ryan has been pretty transparent about any time he changed anything. Last season league slash vs this season

.269/.333/.433
.266/.328/.437

League average for HRs projected at around 175-180 where last year was low 180s. Does look like it was 190+ a few seasons ago. So HRs seem to be steadily declining but maybe the game is just settling in to the ratings that I changed however many seasons ago.
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Graywolf357 wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:36 am 2 new teams would help expansion Time.
I am not commish anymore but this is still the worst idea ever!!!! It is hard enough to have 30 good and competitive owners and recruiting just gets harder. We don't have too much talent and if you make two expansion teams and filled them from this loaded FA pool I keep hearing about than you will have two more 25 win teams. Next topic.
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Next topic let's open the draft Lottery to all teams that miss the playoffs like MLB haha.
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qazhby wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:01 am
wdoupis wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:16 am It’s because colors don’t mean anything. People look and see 20 green position players and think there is tons of talent in free agency but there just isn’t. There are a few guys that I can’t see why they aren’t signed like Jose Garcia but most of them aren’t starter caliber with their makeup
Yeah I don't think i agree either with the "theres too much talent in the league" I think its more of a the rating system is just jacked up- no way the majority of these guys should be rated as high as they are
i'll go to my grave on this one.

you can create an expansion team with free agents and AAAA types that don't get pouched in rule 5 and probably win more than PO does

with that said, i don't think expansion is a good idea. but i do think figuring out ways to reduce the talent pool is.
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DRiccio21 wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:25 am

i'll go to my grave on this one.

you can create an expansion team with free agents and AAAA types that don't get pouched in rule 5 and probably win more than PO does

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DRiccio21 wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:25 am
qazhby wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:01 am
wdoupis wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:16 am It’s because colors don’t mean anything. People look and see 20 green position players and think there is tons of talent in free agency but there just isn’t. There are a few guys that I can’t see why they aren’t signed like Jose Garcia but most of them aren’t starter caliber with their makeup
Yeah I don't think i agree either with the "theres too much talent in the league" I think its more of a the rating system is just jacked up- no way the majority of these guys should be rated as high as they are
i'll go to my grave on this one.

you can create an expansion team with free agents and AAAA types that don't get pouched in rule 5 and probably win more than PO does

with that said, i don't think expansion is a good idea. but i do think figuring out ways to reduce the talent pool is.
how did AJ catch a stray in this :lol: :lol:
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Honestly tho I don't think you would. There are basically zero viable SP's left on the market. You could probably have a decent bullpen and lineup- but even that's iffy and would only last about a year. and who wants to sign a bunch of guys to lose 100 games lmao

ideally i think if injuries went up then guys would have to sign these guys to replace them and that would take them off the market which is something we see IRl all the time
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qazhby wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:46 am ideally i think if injuries went up then guys would have to sign these guys to replace them and that would take them off the market which is something we see IRl all the time
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wdoupis wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:41 am
Graywolf357 wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:36 am 2 new teams would help expansion Time.
I am not commish anymore but this is still the worst idea ever!!!! It is hard enough to have 30 good and competitive owners and recruiting just gets harder. We don't have too much talent and if you make two expansion teams and filled them from this loaded FA pool I keep hearing about than you will have two more 25 win teams. Next topic.
This is just the Stats & AI deviations being corrected back to default. The last change is after this season and everything is at default. From a quick glance at what we had hitting was more overtuned than pitching so hitting should slightly decline. However, there are still going to be swings in generational talent which could see one or the other be better for a stretch of years with no modifier changes.
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there is also a snowball effect on how rule 5 works that has to be taken into account. because players dont get hurt very often we dont need to use spots on our 40 man for AAAA types in our AAA team as we know they are available in the free agency pool for our snatching at all times so we can just protect even any marginal prospect we have until the time comes to cut bait and we know hes not going to pan out or not.

if injuries were up or talent was more scarce we would be forced with the choice to protect depth in AAAA types on our 40 man or hoarding our prospects til we get better clues about them. If people chose to protect depth it could also give more options in rule 5 draft.
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File is up. Reports and S+ to follow.

- I love the debate on player talent and expansion. Keep it up fellas. My official position is there is too much talent in the league...not a lot but almost every team has 3-5 players in AAA that could start and they waste away. When you have to stick your 30y old yellow players in A- something ain't right lol.

Injuries is the easy solution but we voted against that (which is fine and I understand why). But I think just trimming the last 5 rds off the draft will very slowly see talent move down just a notch. There will still be elite players but maybe the slightly less lack of depth will open up more trades as well.

It will be monitored for sure but I don't think we'll see an impact for at least 5 years (probably 10).

- Expansion is a hard pass from me. Billy is 100% right. Hell we had Edmonton go open for almost a full season. Recruiting is hard and I won't sugar coat it. There is almost no activity on Slack and that turns a lot of guys off. I can't really sell it as a super active league when 99% of other leagues use Slack/Discord only and to be interactive here you need to use tech from the late 90s and respond with a 5 minute to 5 hour delay.

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TheGobOne wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:27 am

Major Injuries
Keith Hill (WF) out 7 months with a torn UCL

He could have waited two more weeks until my other pitcher returned from his 14-month elbow injury...
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you guys wanna injure players but not increase the damn budget.
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I don't think you need to do both.

If you injure players, then teams have to sign more viable replacements. This spends free money that is sitting around the game economy, which naturally reduces the asking price of players in extension or free agent negotiations.

At least that is how it has been explained in the past.
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dakshdar wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:10 pm I don't think you need to do both.

If you injure players, then teams have to sign more viable replacements. This spends free money that is sitting around the game economy, which naturally reduces the asking price of players in extension or free agent negotiations.

At least that is how it has been explained in the past.
This is correct.
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nick wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:06 pm you guys wanna injure players but not increase the damn budget.
I don't see the correlation
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dakshdar wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:10 pm I don't think you need to do both.

If you injure players, then teams have to sign more viable replacements. This spends free money that is sitting around the game economy, which naturally reduces the asking price of players in extension or free agent negotiations.

At least that is how it has been explained in the past.
If more people are spending money, wouldn't that increase the asking price of the FA's and not reduce them? I don't see how an extra $200M being spent would reduce prices, that should increase prices
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