COVID-19

[BFiVL]

Dr Faucci answer for you George from yahoo today.


https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/anthony- ... 46858.html

[GeorgesGoons]

Dr Faucci answer for you George from yahoo today.


https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/anthony- ... 46858.html

So if you have been vaccinated why can't you take your mask off then? Let's say a month after vaccination should give you enough time to build immunity according to the CDC

It typically takes a few weeks for the body to build immunity (protection against the virus that causes COVID-19) after vaccination. That means it's possible a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and still get sick.Jan 28, 2021

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC
www.cdc.gov › coronavirus › 2019-ncov › vaccines › facts

So again, why keep wearing the mask if you are immune and can't get it?

and I can guarantee that 70%-85% will not take the vaccine within the next couple of years. I will wait till there is some long term side effect studies done.

[shel311]

So my question remains, when do we get away from masks mandates

and I can guarantee that 70%-85% will not take the vaccine within the next couple of years.

When those people finally get the vaccine, that's the answer to your question.


We're going to reach a point where the same people who are complaining the loudest about mask mandates will be the reason we have them as long as we do.

[GeorgesGoons]

so to reach the 70-85% of the population it would take every single adult above 18 years old to reach that. Since there are no vaccines for anyone 16 and below we will never see that number.

18+ accounts for 74.3% of the population

[shel311]

70-85% of the adult population...

[The_Niddler]

We're going to reach a point where the same people who are complaining the loudest about mask mandates will be the reason we have them as long as we do.

We have been at this point for a while now.
I am not saying give up your rights, blah blah blah, those people kill me by the way with that argument.
What I am saying is, if people would have worn masks and taken this serious from the beginning, it would have lessened the effectiveness or spread of it.


From that article:
“where the level of virus is so low it’s not a threat at all, then at that point, you could start thinking in terms of not having to have a uniform wearing of masks, but we’re certainly not near there yet.”

George, what you are not reading or choose to not believe, not sure which, but the vaccine doesn't mean you will no longer get the virus. It means, if you do get it, your body would have built up an immunity and you may get a small cough or sneeze for a day and it goes away. It doesn't mean your body will never carry the virus.


With that said, the mask is not for you, never has been. It is for everyone else. It is to help aid in the spread of the virus. I may have the virus and not know it. Again, I may have had a slight cough, for 1 day, a week ago. It may have been the Corona virus. My body fought it off, but that virus is still in me. So I don't wear a mask, I sneeze in a grocery store and now that virus has spread. It may be laying on a surface that causes no harm as no one touches it in whatever time they say the virus lives on surfaces now.
But I may have sneezed on someone, by accident and that virus is now on their clothes.
They then touch that spot with their hand and then rub their eyes or something to that effect.

Masks were never about you, the person wearing the mask. They were always about helping to protect your fellow Americans. But for some reason, so many people get butt hurt and want to preach that they are taking my rights away, etc.

In my opinion, it is no different than having to wear a shirt and shoes in a store. They are now requiring masks while I am in that store. So I wear one. If I don't like it, don't shop in that store.

Now, the dumbass curfews, the bars closing at 10 PM instead of being able to say open till 1 AM.....
The highschool wrestlers that are allowed to compete in their matches, but are not allowed to shake hands after the match....
Those are the dumbass rules that I can't stand. Not because I feel like they are taking my rights away, but because they are not using logic or thinking logically when they are making up these dumb ass rules.

For the bars, so you are telling me that Covid has a curfew and comes out at 10 PM? So why am I allowed to be open till 10, but not till 11 PM?
For the highschool wrestlers, this 1 was "mindbottling" to me. They are allowed to be all over each other for the 15-20 minutes of the match, but once they are done, they are not allowed to stand up and shake hands as they normally do. What? So the handshake is what is going to spread Covid?

Or I look at the NFL. You can go out on the field, tackle each other, have scrums of 22 guys fighing over a fumble, but when you get back to the sidelines, you better put your mask on.
That is the stuff that drives me crazy, where there is no logic in the rules.

[plasma1896]

i have been safe for almost a 11 months and my coworker tested positive. his brother likes to go to the casino and got covid and he lives with his brother and he got it. so both wifes and themselves are positive, but all 4 kids are negative.

so i had to go get tested on friday and my result was negative. if i was positive , i was going to pay his degenerate brother a visit. people who are anti mask just think it effects them only. if i was positive, my wifes entire company would have had to close down till everyone gets tested, and then their families would need to get tested and so on.

so mask up and be smart . simple.

[The_Niddler]

i have been safe for almost a 11 months and my coworker tested positive. his brother likes to go to the casino and got covid and he lives with his brother and he got it. so both wifes and themselves are positive, but all 4 kids are negative.

so i had to go get tested on friday and my result was negative. if i was positive , i was going to pay his degenerate brother a visit. people who are anti mask just think it effects them only. if i was positive, my wifes entire company would have had to close down till everyone gets tested, and then their families would need to get tested and so on.

so mask up and be smart . simple.

Yeah, they stated a while ago, kids are not the carriers they thought they were.
My sister, her husband, my mom and dad all live in the same house (Sister is remodeling, long story), but 4 adults all test positive, her 7 year old daughter, negative.

And some companies require a person to have a negative test before they are able to return to work. It could be months until you get a negative test.
Many false positives happen after you have had the virus. Your bodies antibodies can cause a false positive and they claim, right now, you are good for up to 90 days after you had it, so it could take 90 days to be able to get a negative test.
Most only take a little longer than 2 weeks, but it could.

[shel311]

his brother likes to go to the casino and got covid

Wait, masks aren't required at the casino?

[plasma1896]

his brother likes to go to the casino and got covid

Wait, masks aren't required at the casino?

they are

[GeorgesGoons]

George, what you are not reading or choose to not believe, not sure which, but the vaccine doesn't mean you will no longer get the virus. It means, if you do get it, your body would have built up an immunity and you may get a small cough or sneeze for a day and it goes away. It doesn't mean your body will never carry the virus.

From the CDC website:

It typically takes a few weeks for the body to build immunity (protection against the virus that causes COVID-19) after vaccination. That means it's possible a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and still get sick.Jan 28, 2021

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC
www.cdc.gov › coronavirus › 2019-ncov › vaccines › facts

also

Immunity to a disease is achieved through the presence of antibodies to that disease in a person’s system. Antibodies are proteins produced by the body to neutralize or destroy toxins or disease-carrying organisms. Antibodies are disease-specific. For example, measles antibody will protect a person who is exposed to measles disease, but will have no effect if he or she is exposed to mumps.

So the shot only gives you partial immunity?

There is no data on how long the vaccine lasts. CDC says they can only say for certain that the vaccine will keep someone safe for 3 months.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meeti ... allace.pdf

And I am not saying anything about rights or anything like that. I just want to know when the insanity goes away because there is no way in hell we ever get to the 70% vaccinated. The 18-30 age group just aren't going to do it in droves to bring us to the 70% threshold. It's the same reason a lot of them did not have health insurance before the ACA, the chance of using that health insurance didn't outweigh the $500+ a month it would have taken to cover themselves. That same age group is not at risk of dying from the virus, therefore enough of them will not get it to get us to that 70% threshold.

So again, how long does this go on for? How long are you willing to abide by these rules when you know we will never get to that 70% for herd immunity. Because if we ever get to 70% then the new low will be 75% then 80% and so on.

[shel311]

I just want to know when the insanity goes away because there is no way in hell we ever get to the 70% vaccinated.

When 70% get vaccinated. So if they don't, it doesn't go away, and we can blame the people who refuse to get vaccinated for keeping us under lockdown and mask mandates.

[The_Niddler]

I just want to know when the insanity goes away because there is no way in hell we ever get to the 70% vaccinated.

When 70% get vaccinated. So if they don't, it doesn't go away, and we can blame the people who refuse to get vaccinated for keeping us under lockdown and mask mandates.

I am not sure I understand where his confusion is coming from.

I mean, you are posting the numbers yourself George. When we hit 70%, the madness can go away, so if we don't hit 70%, they may not lift the mask requirement.
I honestly don't think it will have anything to do with the number of people that get vaccine. The vaccine will directly impact the numbers, but I think they will start to look at the number of cases/death ratio and figure out from there when they can life the mask requirement.

The hope is that enough people get it so that the virus continues to get weaker in a sense that it does not have the strong impact on people's lives.
The more people that get vaccinated, the quicker that can happen.
But I agree with you that we may never hit the 70% mark, so they will start to need to look at other numbers to allow life to get back to the new "normal".

[GeorgesGoons]

I just want to know when the insanity goes away because there is no way in hell we ever get to the 70% vaccinated.

When 70% get vaccinated. So if they don't, it doesn't go away, and we can blame the people who refuse to get vaccinated for keeping us under lockdown and mask mandates.

It'll never happen within the next 5 years. You know that right? Everyone knows that right?

I won't get it any time soon until we can get some data on long term side effects. And this is a reason why a lot won't get it right away. There are a lot of front line workers refusing the shot as well:

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ine-access
20%-40% of LA's front line workers not getting the shot


https://www.dw.com/en/covid-why-some-do ... a-56162735

But when it comes to vaccinations, she says, she doesn't want to go straight to the front of the line, preferring to wait: "I'm cautious here and a bit wary of the whole thing. I'm worried because the vaccine hasn't been around long enough to be able to just say: 'Ok, I'm now 100% convinced of it.' But that's just my personal feeling."

27% of doctors and just over 50% of German front line workers are opting out of getting it from a survey in December

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/ ... 971d1d3c96

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vacc ... eluctance/

[GeorgesGoons]

I just want to know when the insanity goes away because there is no way in hell we ever get to the 70% vaccinated.

When 70% get vaccinated. So if they don't, it doesn't go away, and we can blame the people who refuse to get vaccinated for keeping us under lockdown and mask mandates.

I am not sure I understand where his confusion is coming from.

I mean, you are posting the numbers yourself George. When we hit 70%, the madness can go away, so if we don't hit 70%, they may not lift the mask requirement.

But everywhere you read regarding masking and closing small businesses (we know that is the only businesses that are getting hurt here) it will end once we get 70%. It's been a blanket statement over and over.

I am glad you acknowledge we will never get to 70%, that's why i asked when does it end.....

[shel311]

It'll never happen within the next 5 years. You know that right? Everyone knows that right?

Then just don't complain when you're the reason things are delayed in going back to normal.

[GeorgesGoons]

It'll never happen within the next 5 years. You know that right? Everyone knows that right?

Then just don't complain when you're the reason things are delayed in going back to normal.

I'm not the only reason. You have doctors and nurses not doing it as well. That just solidifies my stance on not taking it. Couple them with the virus not being deadly for people in my demographics is enough for me to hold off.

[shel311]

I didn't say you should or shouldn't or that it's good or bad.

It's just factual, those are who don't get it will be the reason we won't get back to normal as soon as we could have. That's just a fact.

[nick]

What demographic is George again?

[nick]

If ppl don’t wanna get a vaccine don’t. But if you get sick from covid don’t waste hospital workers time and just stay home