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ajalves wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:46 pm Hall of Fame finalists.....pretty impressive list. There were others who were not finalists who I thought could have been.....anyhow who gets in????



Jared Allen, DE – 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers
Ronde Barber, CB/S – 1997-2012 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tony Boselli, OT – 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2002 Houston Texans
LeRoy Butler, S – 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers
Alan Faneca, G – 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals
Torry Holt, WR – 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars
Calvin Johnson, WR – 2007-2015 Detroit Lions
John Lynch, S – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos
Peyton Manning, QB – 1998-2011 Indianapolis Colts, 2012-15 Denver Broncos
Clay Matthews Jr., LB – 1978-1993 Cleveland Browns, 1994-96 Atlanta Falcons
Sam Mills, LB – 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers
Richard Seymour, DE/DT – 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders
Zach Thomas, LB – 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys
Reggie Wayne, WR – 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts
Charles Woodson, CB/S – 1998-2005, 2013-15 Oakland Raiders, 2006-2012 Green Bay Packers

Obviosly Johnson and Manning are shoe ins....who else?

I also like woodson, wayne, and have a personal bias for zach thomas
Boselli was one of the best OT of all time, injuries derailed his career.

Megatron was one of the best WR during his time, changed the league in some ways, retired in his prime and deserves to get in.

Manning. Duh.

Woodson won a Heisman and was a terrific corner for a long time. He should be in.
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Boselli has been on the ballot for13+ years.

It's a conundrum kind of thing - he may have been one of the best OT while he was playing/in his decade - but 5 seasons of games may not be enough to show HoF worthiness.
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Browns trying to make a loss of epic proportions! Either way!
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Cleveland trying to Cleveland
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Congrats to all the Browns fans I’ve harassed over the years, I’m sure last night was extra sweet
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DRiccio21 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:40 am Congrats to all the Browns fans I’ve harassed over the years, I’m sure last night was extra sweet
Decades of futility... to do it under those circumstances, in Pittsburgh, like that... unbelievable.

More importantly, I don't think this is a just a 1yr run. Schedule will be tougher next year and we'll still be fighting just to get in, but what Berry/Stefanski are doing here is different. I see a lot of parallels between what's going on here and what happened in the early 90s with Green Bay (Holmgren/Favre breaking GBs terrible run)
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To add to that... things aren't looking pretty at all for the Steelers in the near future. They always seem to figure it out, but it's pretty messy right now.
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ReignOnU wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:03 am To add to that... things aren't looking pretty at all for the Steelers in the near future. They always seem to figure it out, but it's pretty messy right now.
Their organization does always seem to find a way to figure it out. Will be interesting to see if we just watched Big Ben's last game or who they will have to take over next year, if so.
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ReignOnU wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:02 am
DRiccio21 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:40 am Congrats to all the Browns fans I’ve harassed over the years, I’m sure last night was extra sweet
Decades of futility... to do it under those circumstances, in Pittsburgh, like that... unbelievable.

More importantly, I don't think this is a just a 1yr run. Schedule will be tougher next year and we'll still be fighting just to get in, but what Berry/Stefanski are doing here is different. I see a lot of parallels between what's going on here and what happened in the early 90s with Green Bay (Holmgren/Favre breaking GBs terrible run)
I am happy we seem to have a front office/coaching combo that the players want to play for. Been a long time since we have had that.
They seem to really respect Stefanski and he seems to know what he is doing.
For the first time in a very long time, the future looks bright in Cleveland.

Now, I hope they can keep the team together, the staff together and continue to build off of it and give us a product to be even more proud of.
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Pitt went 12-4 without a QB the whole year. That’s amazing.

Jujus gone tho.
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The_Niddler wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:17 pm
ReignOnU wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:02 am
DRiccio21 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:40 am Congrats to all the Browns fans I’ve harassed over the years, I’m sure last night was extra sweet
Decades of futility... to do it under those circumstances, in Pittsburgh, like that... unbelievable.

More importantly, I don't think this is a just a 1yr run. Schedule will be tougher next year and we'll still be fighting just to get in, but what Berry/Stefanski are doing here is different. I see a lot of parallels between what's going on here and what happened in the early 90s with Green Bay (Holmgren/Favre breaking GBs terrible run)
I am happy we seem to have a front office/coaching combo that the players want to play for. Been a long time since we have had that.
They seem to really respect Stefanski and he seems to know what he is doing.
For the first time in a very long time, the future looks bright in Cleveland.

Now, I hope they can keep the team together, the staff together and continue to build off of it and give us a product to be even more proud of.
I see Berry (front office) and Stefanski here for the long haul. I don't see anyone coming after Joe Woods (DC) any time soon. While he's had steaming piles of dog shit to work with this season, he hasn't really done anything special. After last night, I'm Alex Van Pelt got a lot of spotlight. He's a 1st year OC, but does have a decent track record having previously worked with Rodgers. There's a lot of HC openings this year, but I'm hoping that the 1st year OC thing keeps teams away. If he did move on, I wouldn't be panicking, because Stefanski isn't running a complicated scheme here. He's about process and precision, not so much creativity and complexity. Any core WCO/Zone run guy can come in and work within that. Now... the 1 guy that needs to remain hidden and that I'm most concerned with losing, is Bill Callahan. He's bounced back and forth as OL, OC, and HC over the years and I'm REALLY hoping that he sees how awesome our OL group could be for a few years and he's content to stay here in that role. He's really not meant to be an OC/HC, but he is one helluva OL coach.

My other low key concern, long-term... what happens when we start spending money? We know they want to be cost efficient and blend in the analytics (everyone does obviously), but I don't know that we have a clear indication on what they value in terms of spending right now, because we haven't had to come to the table under this regime. To me, to succeed in the AFC North, it's OL, DL, DB and taking care of Chubb/Hunt. But RB isn't something that teams typically throw money at. You obviously don't want to overpay a ton, but with the ridiculous weather in Cleveland and the way the wind swirls and is enhance coming off of the lake, I don't think all of the normal rules apply.

I'm not eager to go out and spend a ton. We're young. If this roster showed up next season, here are some immediate benefits:
- Beckham returns (lets avoid the #s argument before/after injury for now, we all know what it says)
- 2nd year for J. Wills
- M. Wilson will turn 23, J. Phillips 22... both were young for their draft classes.
- G. Williams has been out all season, he should be back to start opposite Ward. Greedy just turned 23, he was also young.
- D. Ward missed 4.5-5 games this season, plus last night's game.
- R. Harrison will turn 24 this spring, he missed a ton of time. Played more than 50% of the team's snaps just 5x.
- G. Delpit didn't play a snap this year. Well before last year's draft I said that the 3 biggest defensive playmakers were going to be Chase Young, Isaiah Simmons and Grant Delpit. So obviously I was thrilled with his pick and I'm still super-high on his potential.

Those are some really big steps forward for this team. Realistically, I could see them moving on from Beckham, which I'm indifferent on. I know what his image is, but I also see the stuff that doesn't get spammed all over media. He's fully supportive of the team and he busts his ass. Really similar to how Chad Johnson had a very bad rap in Cincy. On the other side, for all of the amazing catches/runs he makes, he misses so many basic things. A lot of poorly run routes and trying to run before catching the ball, resulting in unnecessary drops/tipped ball INTs.

Either way... we're going into Wk.2 of the post-season and I'm not looking at mock drafts!
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I wish we had some MNF to watch
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Started playing a madden franchise last night. Had #4 pick with The Jets and took Zach Wilson.
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Is Cleveland all that?

They win the turnover battle 5-0 and win the game by 11 points?
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dakshdar wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:22 am Is Cleveland all that?

They win the turnover battle 5-0 and win the game by 11 points?
Hell no we ain't all that. Who is saying we are?
Chiefs are going to show everyone what the Browns are next Sunday.

If we let Ben throw for over 500 yards, it is going to be ugly against Mahomes!

Reign and I are just happy for the future that we see compared to previous seasons when they didn't have much promise. We finally have something that looks good and looks to be around for a while.
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The_Niddler wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:25 am
dakshdar wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:22 am Is Cleveland all that?

They win the turnover battle 5-0 and win the game by 11 points?
Hell no we ain't all that. Who is saying we are?
Chiefs are going to show everyone what the Browns are next Sunday.

If we let Ben throw for over 500 yards, it is going to be ugly against Mahomes!

Reign and I are just happy for the future that we see compared to previous seasons when they didn't have much promise. We finally have something that looks good and looks to be around for a while.
Bingo. Our back 7 on defense is booty. Chiefs should be a double digit favorite, hell maybe even 14pts. The Pitt game is how we have to win any game vs a good team... score a ton of points and get turnovers through QB pressure.
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So with Urban going to Jacksonville, I wonder if they take Fields first and give the NFl and TLaw what he probably wants which is NY
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nick wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:25 pm So with Urban going to Jacksonville, I wonder if they take Fields first and give the NFl and TLaw what he probably wants which is NY
Why would anyone want to go to the Jets?
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New York?
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DeShaun Watson just followed Sean Payton on Twitter.

Saints lock!!!
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