Politics and stuff

[GeorgesGoons]

Not a fan of how this is written but is another read about it:

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/26 ... 0r8zZNLzdk

One of the rioters had a gun as well (he was the 3rd shooting victim):

[GeorgesGoons]

Doesn't look like he just tripped running down the street after opening fire. The 3 people shot were shot while he was on the ground.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298496272500916225

[GeorgesGoons]

Here is what happened to the guy with the gun

Video is graphic

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298504749633814529

[footballkelly31]

Here's where the divide and issue with the way things are frame causes the problem...
- Police brutality is a thing. There are officers that are far too aggressive and they overstep.
- If the only statistics you look at are officer involved shootings, then yes, it's fairly similar both inter and inner racially.
- However... I think it's very disingenuous for a white person to state that this is a level playing. DWB is a 'crime' in many communities and will get you pulled over. Profiling is real.
- The protests come out around deaths, but the heart of the issue is the aggressiveness, frequency and experienced interactions that do NOT result in deaths.

Whether you believe the push of protests is truly organic or it's induced, it's really irrelevant. There is an issue with officer interactions. Those interactions are slanted to black people. There is a chicken & egg question that has to be asked regarding the frequency of compliance and how we've gotten to where we are. There is also the fact that the most correlative statistic isn't race, but economic status. Why is that? More apt to commit crime? More apt not to comply? More apt to be beat up on because of their perceived inability to defend themselves in front of a judge (means)?

This isn't a right/left issue. It really is an American issue. But we're not going to solve the problem because we have too many people that won't slow down and try to understand what the root cause is. The fire is stoked by the vocal minority on each side and it's only getting worse.

Not sure which subgroup to post in so moved over here with Reign.

Profiling is without a doubt an indisputable issue and its not a level playing field. It sucks that just being a given race or ethnicity automatically makes one less deserving of basic human decency in the eyes of to many people. These biases are ingrained into people by the images and sounds that they are force feed in today's media driven world. Until we start seeing images of successful, powerful, educated minorities (in which their are plenty) coupled with images of destitute, criminal, lowlife white people (again their are plenty) we will not remove these biases. Its a long ingrained ideal and we as a society have made some in roads but this wont change over night.

That is why these riots, looting and destruction of communities is ridiculous and completely counter productive. The images of these events just reinforce the biases.

[Crowes]

Doesn't look like he just tripped running down the street after opening fire. The 3 people shot were shot while he was on the ground.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298496272500916225

The vid in the article I posted shows before he was on the ground. He was running down the street with people yelling he already shot at someone. Then he trips and skateboard guy runs up on him.

[GeorgesGoons]

He didn't just run up on him, he hit him with the skateboard.

[shel311]

Much like the Jacob Blake case needs more info before we can fully form opinions(whether he did have a knife out) we'd need to know more on this story as well.

Did the shooter shoot at people first? If so, was it in self defense or not?

Probably have to have those questions answered at the very least before any real opinions can be formed.

[Crowes]

He didn't just run up on him, he hit him with the skateboard.

Yup I seen he was hit with the skateboard. Your initial post read like the shooter was just randomly attack by a guy with a skateboard and defended himself. Doesn't seem like it's that cut and dry from what I've seen is all I was trying to point out.

[Crowes]

Also seems like the guy that was shot in the head was at a separate location/ incident.

[GeorgesGoons]

Agree with Shel here that more info is needed. From some of the Twitter posts I've seen is that a group tried to burn down another car lot, I believe that is when the first shooting happened, not sure if he was attacked before shooting as there isn't any video of it that I've seen. If there was a shooting there he tried to get away and tripped and was attacked by at least 3 people, one with a skateboard and another with a hand gun and one more that ran in and kicked him while he was down.

[GeorgesGoons]

Also seems like the guy that was shot in the head was at a separate location/ incident.

That may have been at the car lot

[footballkelly31]

On a lighter note any one read about Kim Klacik....I haven't read enough on her but her message and principles seem like they can appeal to both sides of the isle. I hope to see more voices like this gain traction.

Her video was good, but it could have been a typical edgy hype video made by anyone without a political background. What she didn't do in the video was actually discuss policy or a way that she's going to solve the problem.

Furthermore, she's not the first to try this and certainly won't be the last. But in the end, it's a huge uphill battle. It's great that every American has the ability to vote and everyone can vote based on what they feel is most valuable. So herein lies a problem... single/minimal issue voters will continue to vote for things that best serve them as an individual. This is where identity politics gets it's surge. Find identity based issues that drive new voters to the polls to support their self-interest, then collect the support as they vote within the party that supports their specific interest, other policies be damned.

It's always going to be an uphill battle for a republican politician in a diverse community. Their platform is generally "don't spend a lot of money on social services, work hard to get what you want and everyone is equal." That's contrasted against "we've got a government program to help your identity/situation, we'll give your identity this advantage to makeup for something, and you are (your vote!) is special to us." I get that a self-serving voter would jump all over that.

Note shortened the quote

You sir are absolutely correct. I believe that the time to be heard and really obtain a following is now. I'd like to believe that a majority of people are in the middle of the political spectrum (especially with the Left and Right both pushing to further extremes). I understand people making the decisions based on their personal situations, I mean we all do it to some extent and its the first rule of survival. There has to be some way to deliver the message and lay out a plan that can be beneficial and enlighten people to look beyond the immediate situation. It will likely need to be done at a more localized level to build a base.

[Crowes]

https://abc30.com/17-year-old-in-custod ... g/6389473/

I could be reading it wrong but it seems like the shooter was involved in both shootings.

Shame that 2 people had to die and this 17 year olds life is ruined. He lives in Illinois so wonder why he was even there since it obviously wasn't to protect his property or community.

[GeorgesGoons]

I believe he was the same shooter at both sites from what I have read. No clue on the first shooting as there is nothing definitive to show what happened there. However, the second shooting, I can see why he shot them. It appeared he was hit at least once while he was running down the road and then fell shortly after that (no clue if it was because he was hit or not). As he is on the ground a guy comes running in and kicks him. Another guy the one he shot and killed there hit him with a skateboard and then was shot. And the 3rd guy had a hand gun as he approached him. Kid fucked up by being there in the first place, especially since it is not his neighborhood or business he was trying to protect. He'll have to live with that for the rest of his life, whether in jail or not.

[shel311]

That kid has been charged with 1st degree murder.

I have to think there's some shit off camera we don't know about yet that would warrant a 1st degree murder charge.

[GeorgesGoons]

That kid has been charged with 1st degree murder.

I have to think there's some shit off camera we don't know about yet that would warrant a 1st degree murder charge.

Zero chance he gets convicted of 1st degree murder from the videos I have seen. ZERO!

[Crowes]

That kid has been charged with 1st degree murder.

I have to think there's some shit off camera we don't know about yet that would warrant a 1st degree murder charge.

Zero chance he gets convicted of 1st degree murder from the videos I have seen. ZERO!

Prior to him coming that night if he said anything on social media or anywhere else that he was wanting to harm the protestors then intentionally puts himself in a situation where he will have the opportunity thats premeditated right?

Did any vids come out from the first killing? If the people had just witnessed him murder someone and were trying to disarm him because of it that changes the whole self defense narrative about the skateboard guy don't it?

[ReignOnU]

Doesn't look like he just tripped running down the street after opening fire. The 3 people shot were shot while he was on the ground.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1298496272500916225

No, 1 was shot in the head prior to this.

[ReignOnU]

That kid has been charged with 1st degree murder.

I have to think there's some shit off camera we don't know about yet that would warrant a 1st degree murder charge.

Zero chance he gets convicted of 1st degree murder from the videos I have seen. ZERO!

Prior to him coming that night if he said anything on social media or anywhere else that he was wanting to harm the protestors then intentionally puts himself in a situation where he will have the opportunity thats premeditated right?

Did any vids come out from the first killing? If the people had just witnessed him murder someone and were trying to disarm him because of it that changes the whole self defense narrative about the skateboard guy don't it?

Won't matter. I'll run down all of the videos that are out in the next post. Any lawyer will have an in/out case on the murder 1 charge. If there is social media history, they might be able to get to a manslaughter charge, but I'm going to say that's unlikely as well. I think the worst he's hit with are gun possession related charges.

[GeorgesGoons]

That kid has been charged with 1st degree murder.

I have to think there's some shit off camera we don't know about yet that would warrant a 1st degree murder charge.

Zero chance he gets convicted of 1st degree murder from the videos I have seen. ZERO!

Prior to him coming that night if he said anything on social media or anywhere else that he was wanting to harm the protestors then intentionally puts himself in a situation where he will have the opportunity thats premeditated right?

Did any vids come out from the first killing? If the people had just witnessed him murder someone and were trying to disarm him because of it that changes the whole self defense narrative about the skateboard guy don't it?

It could change the premeditation part of it.

Watched another video last night, I am almost 100% positive he shot the guy in the head as well. I was going to post the link here but I don't like to post things that make your opinion for you. The video started with a guy yelling at the armed people and being very aggressive. A couple of the protestors pulled him back a couple of times. He was telling, "shoot me muther fucker.".

In that video it alleges that the guy that got shot in the head tried to throw a Molotov cocktail at the kid that shit him. I can't confirm it anywhere, although I really didn't look for it last night, so I didn't post it.

And when is it ever okay for a mob to try and disarm someone? And I don't believe that was their intentions from the videos. Guy was sucker punched twice as he jogged down the road. He was kicked as he was down. Another guy hits him in the back with a skateboard. I believe the only one that may have been trying to disarm him is the guy with the gun, but who knows at that point. Side not on that guy with the hand gun. There is a picture of him helping paint the street with the "defund the police" slogan. After he was shot he yelled out call the cops and yelled medic. Thought that was funny