Politics and stuff

[shel311]

While true George, Trump hasn't exactly tried to unify the country the past 4 years.

He's gone out of his way to be divisive.

[ReignOnU]

While true George, Trump hasn't exactly tried to unify the country the past 4 years.

He's gone out of his way to be divisive.

I'll stand with what I said in my long, boring post from a week or so ago.

If I'm overlooking something, then correct me... In terms of race, he certainly hasn't attacked anyone. In terms of ethnicity, I think he's pushed it quite a bit to promote his "America First" agenda and anti-illegal immigration stance. In terms of gender, he's been very positive.

Now if by divisive, you're saying that he's not trying to reach across the aisle and work with Dems, I find it pretty hard to blame him with some of the radical ideas that get tossed around over there. To be fair, there was the small detail of a multi-year impeachment process that was almost 100% down the party line. Kind of hard to blame the guy for not being super eager to cuddle up with the people that tried to ruin him.

[nick]

sooo about those cognitive issues ? ... ...

[GeorgesGoons]

sooo about those cognitive issues ? ... ...

Wait till he has to speak without reading from a telapromper

[GeorgesGoons]

I will say I haven't watched the speach though

[cougnix]

I'm really befuddled that anyone would try and say Trump has not been racist in the things he says. Interchange that word with womanizer, bigot, and a few others. This isn't a Dems or Reps thing at all. I would prefer a leader/president that leads without degrading everyone around him/her. I feel that we will never get there as a country again. Voting for a party is going to be tough, and without another option, we are in for either another 4 years of embarrassment.

[shel311]

Coug, if you don't want to vote for a president with a history of derogatory an/or racist views/remarks, you're going to have to join me in refusing to vote for either Trump or Biden.

[ReignOnU]

I'm really befuddled that anyone would try and say Trump has not been racist in the things he says. Interchange that word with womanizer, bigot, and a few others. This isn't a Dems or Reps thing at all. I would prefer a leader/president that leads without degrading everyone around him/her. I feel that we will never get there as a country again. Voting for a party is going to be tough, and without another option, we are in for either another 4 years of embarrassment.

I'm open to any examples of him saying something racist or sexist during the last 4 years. The biggest issue I remember is when he said there were some 'good guys' in that alt right march.

I'd also prefer a leader that leads without intentionally degrading everyone and I do think we'll get there if not this year with Biden, then most likely in 4yrs. (Biden may degrade people, but at least it's not intentional I guess.) But if my choice is between 4 more years of Trump and turning it over to a bumbling Dem puppet, I'm going with Trump. To me, it's much less about the 2 individuals, because they both have big problems, it's about the issues (abortion, gun rights, government spending, social services, immigration, etc.).

I know Shel has his stance on party line voting and pushing for a 3rd option, but this is one place that he and I deviate quite a bit. I'm all for a more balanced 3rd option, but when the 3rd option isn't viable, I believe you have to protect the candidate that is most likely to protect what you value in terms of policy.

[shel311]

but when the 3rd option isn't viable, I believe you have to protect the candidate that is most likely to protect what you value in terms of policy.

Just know that you'll never get change this way.

By voting with this rationale, the 2 major parties then have zero incentive to change for the better. They know they're getting your vote no matter what.

[ReignOnU]

Coug, if you don't want to vote for a president with a history of derogatory an/or racist views/remarks, you're going to have to join me in refusing to vote for either Trump or Biden.

Certainly true. I do think there's something to be said for the fact that Biden doesn't do it intentionally. In today's climate, if he were on the right, he'd be crushed and would be polling at <40% because of what he's said. I find it interesting that the folks on the left are understanding of his age, past and claiming that he doesn't mean any harm. Honestly, I agree, even though they'd never extend that approach across the line. Not saying it's ok, but there should be a level of understanding about this stuff and there's a lot of stuff that we try to push way too hard. Meanwhile, Trump is very targeted/intentional with his attacks. I'm all for playing offense when necessary, but he's so over-the-top and often times comes off like a childish bully (Lil' Marco, Pencil neck Schiff, Fat Jerry etc). Going with Crooked Hillary wasn't as bothersome. Doing it 2-3 times and tying it to personality/history of actions is one thing, going with personal appearance smack, as Jim Rome would say, is crossing a line. That shit is pathetic.

[ReignOnU]

but when the 3rd option isn't viable, I believe you have to protect the candidate that is most likely to protect what you value in terms of policy.

Just know that you'll never get change this way.

By voting with this rationale, the 2 major parties then have zero incentive to change for the better. They know they're getting your vote no matter what.

I also don't think that your method is going to drive the change either. I think it's highly unlikely that the public can have this phoenix rise from the ashes. If we're going to get change, it's going to come from a break in a party, where one party becomes strong enough that a good portion of the party feels that they can split and still succeed. I think I've mapped out this scenario before.

In which case, it is more beneficial to align and support the party that best aligns to your beliefs, to create that surge in support, so that the variable part of the party feels comfortable making that move.

[nick]

Interesting prop bet.

Will the prez be announced on Nov 4th (I assume that’s Election Day)

No is -130

With covid and shit it’s a damn near lock it won’t be that day


Also I’m prepping to drop money on Trump. The idiots winning again. Biden gives great speeches and the Biden line drops from -175 range to -135.

[ReignOnU]

Interesting prop bet.

Will the prez be announced on Nov 4th (I assume that’s Election Day)

No is -130

With covid and shit it’s a damn near lock it won’t be that day


Also I’m prepping to drop money on Trump. The idiots winning again. Biden gives great speeches and the Biden line drops from -175 range to -135.

Just need to verify what they mean by 'announced.' If it's some standard of a clear victor, I'd certainly take No.

[nick]

I think secretly (tin foil cap) the dems like losing so they can complain. Kamala Harris was arguably the worst choice for a VP. Coo she’s a black female but she’s also a former DA who put innocent people away and didn’t give them second chances to prove themselves to have a good winning record. Ppl don’t forget that stuff.

[GeorgesGoons]

I think secretly (tin foil cap) the dems like losing so they can complain. Kamala Harris was arguably the worst choice for a VP. Coo she’s a black female but she’s also a former DA who put innocent people away and didn’t give them second chances to prove themselves to have a good winning record. Ppl don’t forget that stuff.

Obviously they do (in California), those idiots voted her into the Senate.

I'm not a fan of the polls tightening. I want it to show a big spread for a Biden victory. That'll keep more people at home and not vote, Republicans will go out and vote no matter what

[ReignOnU]

I don't think it's about self sabotage. The issue is there's a really wide gap between far left and moderates and those far left have really load voices and a lot of momentum. Ultimately, the ideologies can't coexist. It'll cause big issues at some point.

[shel311]

Kamala Harris was arguably the worst choice for a VP. Coo she’s a black female

I don't know anything about her to know if she's qualified, but seeing the list of possible VP candidates is just proof, not that we needed any, that politicians don't care about you or doing the best job possible. They only care about whatever it takes to get them elected.

The idea was never to find the best, most qualified candidate. The list of candidates was essentially all black females, right? It was only ever about doing what they felt, right or wrong, would get them elected.

[nick]

Kamala called Biden a racist like 6 months ago

[shel311]

Kamala called Biden a racist like 6 months ago

IT WAS A DEBATE!!!!


If you missed it, the joke is reference here where she essentially admits to lying in a debate and saying Biden was a racist when she didn't believe he was a racist:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status ... 71456?s=19


Also, in response to Biden's sexual assault accusers, she's on record saying "I believe them" so it'll be interesting to see how she spins that as well. I guess when you're in a debate, it's ok to say someone is a racist and rapist even if you don't believe it, no big deal.

[Crowes]

Kamala called Biden a racist like 6 months ago

IT WAS A DEBATE!!!!


If you missed it, the joke is reference here where she essentially admits to lying in a debate and saying Biden was a racist when she didn't believe he was a racist:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status ... 71456?s=19


Also, in response to Biden's sexual assault accusers, she's on record saying "I believe them" so it'll be interesting to see how she spins that as well. I guess when you're in a debate, it's ok to say someone is a racist and rapist even if you don't believe it, no big deal.

Biden and Harris are both horrible but they are politicans at the end of the day.

Do you remember all the horrible shit Trump said and had said about him when he was a candidate by other republican politicans. Now they all buddy buddy too.