That's just a lot of words to try and justify crime as being ok, many of which was perpetrated against black people.
How is she justifying that it makes sense to retaliate by committing crimes against black people?
Did the looters only loot black business?
I'd hate to put words into Shel's mouth but I believe this is what he was generally saying:
Traditionally when looting and rioting happens it usually is centralized where the injustice happens. Two examples: Rodney King LA riots, never went outside the poor neighborhoods. Ferguson riots, stayed right in Ferguson. These buildings that were looted or burned to the ground were typically owned by small business owners from that community.
shel311 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:50 pm
Looters in a town near Philadelphia have cleaned out all 7 stores in a chain that is basically the only local way for people to get groceries. The store is unable to reopen now or anytime soon obviously. Many usually take the bus and now can't afford to go out further to get their groceries.
When you advocate looting and burning buildings, you don't get to pick and choose which burning buildings you support and which ones you don't, you support all of it.
So while that person in the clip Crowes posted seemed very passionate and very much about the cause for black people, just keep in mind that she was explicitly advocating for ruining the lives of people, many of whom are black.
And for the record, it's not like her advocating for ruining the lives of innocent white people who own businesses or work at that local Target is fine and dandy, that's despicable as well.
shel311 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:50 pm
Looters in a town near Philadelphia have cleaned out all 7 stores in a chain that is basically the only local way for people to get groceries. The store is unable to reopen now or anytime soon obviously. Many usually take the bus and now can't afford to go out further to get their groceries.
When you advocate looting and burning buildings, you don't get to pick and choose which burning buildings you support and which ones you don't, you support all of it.
So while that person in the clip Crowes posted seemed very passionate and very much about the cause for black people, just keep in mind that she was explicitly advocating for ruining the lives of people, many of whom are black.
And for the record, it's not like her advocating for ruining the lives of innocent white people who own businesses or work at that local Target is fine and dandy, that's despicable as well.
I don't see it as she is advocating for looting. She is advocating agasint the systemic problems in these communities and our nation as a whole has. The looting is a symptom of a larger issue and by focusing only that you aren't fixing the root cause. Are we not able to say looting is bad but also in the same thought process see the issues with poverty and bleak realities in these communities are much much worse?
The damage from the looting will be fixed and business owners will recover for the most part but the reality that made people think it was ok to loot isn't being fixed.
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:59 am
I don't see it as she is advocating for looting.
I mean, she's literally supporting burning buildings down, there is no other way to see it.
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:59 am
She is advocating agasint the systemic problems in these communities and our nation as a whole has.
By burning buildings down, which you seem to support.
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:59 am
Are we not able to say looting is bad but also in the same thought process see the issues with poverty and bleak realities in these communities are much much worse?
Yes, but the 2 aren't mutually exclusive, WTF are you even talking about?
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:59 am
The looting is a symptom of a larger issue and by focusing only that you aren't fixing the root cause
Not acknowledging crime as a crime is the problem, and you're doing that right now. It's gross.
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:59 am
I don't see it as she is advocating for looting.
I mean, she's literally supporting burning buildings down, there is no other way to see it.
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:59 am
She is advocating agasint the systemic problems in these communities and our nation as a whole has.
By burning buildings down, which you seem to support.
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:59 am
Are we not able to say looting is bad but also in the same thought process see the issues with poverty and bleak realities in these communities are much much worse?
Yes, but the 2 aren't mutually exclusive, WTF are you even talking about?
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:59 am
The looting is a symptom of a larger issue and by focusing only that you aren't fixing the root cause
Not acknowledging crime as a crime is the problem, and you're doing that right now. It's gross.
Thanks Shel, you beat me to it.
I truly don't understand how people can justify a crime. And what this lady, and Crowes from what it seems by his posts, don't understand is that if you burn a building in these poor neighborhoods, who do you think is not going to work anymore? You don't have rich white kids going to poor neighborhoods to take their jobs at the local grocery store. This lady is okay with her peers in her neighborhood to go without work because she is okay with criminals being criminals.
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:06 am
Shellypoo you are the one that seems to unable to see anything other then looting is bad so therefore any other issues are invalid
The irony of this is one of us is able to see both are bad, one of us is able to see only 1 of these are bad.
You just seem to be confused here.
I say both are bad, which any rational person would agree, something you apparently are not. You say looting and rioting is ok because the other one is bad. Good luck with that mindset.
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:06 am
Shellypoo you are the one that seems to unable to see anything other then looting is bad so therefore any other issues are invalid
The irony of this is one of us is able to see both are bad, one of us is able to see only 1 of these are bad.
You just seem to be confused here.
I say both are bad, which any rational person would agree, something you apparently are not. You say looting and rioting is ok because the other one is bad. Good luck with that mindset.
No I am saying both are bad but the solution that fixes the systemic problems fixes the looting.
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:11 am
No I am saying both are bad
Crowes is saying both are bad while condemning me for saying both are bad.
Ok, sure thing buddy.
It seems like you have no clue what you're trying to say in here. You hounded me on the last 1 or 2 pages for saying both are bad only to come around to my side in the end and agree with me that both are bad.
This is exactly what is wrong with our country. So instead of focusing on the issue at hand, here we are talking about the looting and rioting that ALL RACES were involved in. There were tens of thousands of people all around the world peacefully protesting this weekend with minimal incidents but yet here we are.
Its funny how people watch the same video and come to very different conclusions. Chances are you failing to put yourself in their shoes. She never once encouraged anyone to loot or burn anything down. She said "why should she care", those are two very different statements, wouldn't one agree? She was simply explaining how we got to this point. People are hearing what they want to support their cause. This is a beautiful video that passionately explains how we got to this point. As the great Chris Rock once said "I don't condone it, but I understand"!
“The thing worse than rebellion is the thing that causes rebellion.” Frederick Douglas
Crowes wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:11 am
No I am saying both are bad
Crowes is saying both are bad while condemning me for saying both are bad.
Ok, sure thing buddy.
It seems like you have no clue what you're trying to say in here. You hounded me on the last 1 or 2 pages for saying both are bad only to come around to my side in the end and agree with me that both are bad.
I posted the video then u decided to use the looting at a blindfold to not see or hear anything else she had to say because she was giving reasons why. The looting was bad and the people that did it should be held accountable for their actions but it's already happened and what the rest of us have moved on to is working towards understanding why it happened and how to keep it from happening again. Wanting to understand why something happened is not advocating that the crime was justified.
All u seem to wanna do it run around doing ur mental gymnastics to get some gotcha moment in ur head to win some prize for gaslighting.
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SmittyRocks7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:23 am
She said "why should she care"
Because you want to be a decent human being?
You're conceding that she's fighting for social justice, for people to care about her and her people...while admitting that she doesn't care about other people, including some black people. That is what you're stating, to a tee.
SmittyRocks7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:23 am
As the great Chris Rock once said "I don't condone it, but I understand"!
I actually quoted his entire quote earlier, then deleted it. In his quote, he says you don't do it. He understands wanting to do it, but you don't do it. So you brought up the Chris Rock quote, but it runs counter to what you're stating.
SmittyRocks7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:23 am
She said "why should she care"
Because you want to be a decent human being?
You're conceding that she's fighting for social justice, for people to care about her and her people...while admitting that she doesn't care about other people, including some black people. That is what you're stating, to a tee.
SmittyRocks7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:23 am
As the great Chris Rock once said "I don't condone it, but I understand"!
I actually quoted his entire quote earlier, then deleted it. In his quote, he says you don't do it. He understands wanting to do it, but you don't do it. So you brought up the Chris Rock quote, but it runs counter to what you're stating.
Should I list the names of "decent human being" on here that lost their life needlessly? Yeah, just keep distracting from the real issue here, you are part of the problem sir, have a nice day!
