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[DRWebs]

Quick, change the subject!

[nick]

I don't think this is a hoax at all. I just don't think it's as bad as it's made out to be. I still believe that if there were more tests available that the number of Corona virus positives would be unreal. But that alsoakes it not as deadly as most think it is to the whole population to the point of shutting damn near everything down.

Dr.George

[shel311]

I don't think this is a hoax at all. I just don't think it's as bad as it's made out to be. I still believe that if there were more tests available that the number of Corona virus positives would be unreal. But that alsoakes it not as deadly as most think it is to the whole population to the point of shutting damn near everything down.

Dr.George

Eh, we're all gasbagging with our random, uninformed opinions.

[nick]

for sure. but i think his is the furthest from correct

[shel311]

for sure. but i think his is the furthest from correct

Maybe...maybe not but the South Korea comparison does lend some truth to the idea IMO.

[nick]

In other words, South Korea has an outbreak among youngish, non-smoking women, whereas Italy's disease is occurring among the old and the very old, many of whom are smokers. (We do not know the male-female breakdown of Italy's cases).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opinions ... index.html

[nick]

South Korea’s success may hold lessons for other countries—and also a warning: Even after driving case numbers down, the country is braced for a resurgence.

so even in SK where they have it "under control" they expect it to break out again.

[Cnasty]

I will say, CNN's talent is farrrrrrr superior to Fox News

[GeorgesGoons]

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... ime-2020-3

The country seems to have brought its outbreak under control without implementing draconian measures like locking down major cities or closing schools and restaurants. Rather, South Korea implemented rapid, large-scale coronavirus testing. As of Monday, the country had tested 274,504 people for the virus. Health officials can test tens of thousands of people per day, which can then lead to more effective and widespread quarantining of infected people and their contacts.

Additionally, South Korea also implemented a well-organized contact-tracing program: After tests reveal a positive case, officials use interviews, GPS phone tracking, credit card records, and video surveillance to trace that individual's travel history, according to The Washington Post.

The government publishes anonymized data about where each patient went before they were diagnosed on a public website so others can check to see if they've been in contact with a patient and get subsequently tested.

"Diagnostic capacity at scale is key to epidemic control," Raina MacIntyre, who studies emerging infectious diseases at the University of New South Wales, told Science. She added, "contact tracing is also very influential in epidemic control, as is case isolation."

The one thing I don't fully understand is how one country can test that many people that quickly and we can't even get that many tests made. What are they doing differently?

I also like the way they use the tracking method to see where they have been. But I'm sure that goes against our constitution and would need a warrant to obtain.

[nick]

because youre led by a retard

[GeorgesGoons]

because youre led by a retard

*you're

retard!

It doesn't matter who is in the White House. If companies cannot make them fast enough it won't matter who is in the White House. Has anyone found what it takes to make a test kit? I went to my 9th grade self and biology and thought, take swab and examine under microscope. But I'm sure it's a lot more in depth than that.

[nick]

Obama officials walked Trump aides through global pandemic exercise in 2017: report

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... se-in-2017

but ya..anyone..

[Cnasty]

Initial details of the bill approved:

Offer two weeks of paid sick and family leave to many American workers who are in quarantine, helping a family member with COVID-19 or who have children whose schools have closed. Workers will get 100% of their normal salary.

A total of 12 weeks of paid leave to many of those who have children whose schools have closed. Workers would get about 67% of their normal salary for this period.

Bolsters unemployment insurance

Free testing for the coronavirus for those who need it

Boosts food assistance (SNAP) and federal funding for Medicaid

Assuming this will only apply to a small portion of Americans below a certain salary range.

[shel311]

It doesn't matter who is in the White House. If companies cannot make them fast enough it won't matter who is in the White House.

We're the only country having this issue, SK and China aren't.


The WHO had their own test kits, we turned down the use of those kits. I assume it's those same kits that have saved South Korea, while we still can't mass produce our own, thus causing the issue.

No clue if that was a Trump decision or CDC, FDA..but whoever made it chose wrong.

[dakshdar]

because youre led by a retard

*you're

retard!

It doesn't matter who is in the White House. If companies cannot make them fast enough it won't matter who is in the White House. Has anyone found what it takes to make a test kit? I went to my 9th grade self and biology and thought, take swab and examine under microscope. But I'm sure it's a lot more in depth than that.

For whatever reason (test accuracy was cited earlier) the CDC decided to make their own test from scratch for the virus. Their first attempt didn't seem to work at all and they were well behind the curve from there.

Other countries, like SK, took the "recipe" for the test that China provided to the WHO and started production right away.

I'm not sure who in our government directed the CDC to do a "from scratch" generation, or if that was an internal decision they made.

[GeorgesGoons]

It doesn't matter who is in the White House. If companies cannot make them fast enough it won't matter who is in the White House.

We're the only country having this issue, SK and China aren't.


The WHO had their own test kits, we turned down the use of those kits. I assume it's those same kits that have saved South Korea, while we still can't mass produce our own, thus causing the issue.

No clue if that was a Trump decision or CDC, FDA..but whoever made it chose wrong.

I agree.

Didn't you post yesterday or the day before (I quoted it and don't want to look back for it as this has gone on for multiple pages since probably) that the WHO kits were only 60% accurate?

[shel311]

Looking at Snopes, it says we didn't necessarily refuse the test kits, but it is standard procedure for the US to make their own kits when issues like this arise. Meaning, it was never offered to us for refusal, but we could have asked for the kits, but we never do, we always do it ourselves.


All that makes sense, but doesn't excuse the fact that it was botched.

[shel311]

Didn't you post yesterday or the day before (I quoted it and don't want to look back for it as this has gone on for multiple pages since probably) that the WHO kits were only 60% accurate?

Wasn't me

[DRWebs]

Didn't you post yesterday or the day before (I quoted it and don't want to look back for it as this has gone on for multiple pages since probably) that the WHO kits were only 60% accurate?

Wasn't me

Shaggy

[dakshdar]

Interesting details here (what shel referenced):
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-coronavirus-test/

Sounds like we followed the "usual" way we do things. Doesn't make it the right way, especially if you could follow parallel paths and utilize the existing test while you also build your own (potentially better) version.