Politics and stuff

[BFiVL]

Unless I'm missing who was at that rally, it was white supremacists rallying and protesters who opposed them, seems like the seems like the 2 sides to me.

Shel going full foghorn leghorn there.

That is the debate here. Our president said there were good people and bad on both sides. I'm hard pressed to believe any on the right side had positive intentions.

I'm trying to understand what Reign is saying.

If the white supremacists marching were 1 side. I assume that were, how can one argue there we good people on that side?

Thats where I'm going with this one.

Because the intial protest was over the bringing down of a statue of Robert E Lee. Which on its surface is fine but when the majority of the people protesting are KKK and Neo Nazis, those few good apples who are art lovers get over looked.

So would that, in fact, mean there are good people on that side, generalizing of course? Meant to say, not neo nazis, obviously.

Prefacing this with I'm against any cause that is with heavily or solely based on race or ethnicity. Don't care if it BLM or UTR but this is a direct quote from the organizer

"We're trying to do a pro-white demonstration," Kessler said. "We're trying to show that folks can stand up for white people. The political correctness has gotten way out of control, and the only way to fight back against it has been to stand up for our own interests."

What kind of crowd is showing up for this to support? Tolerant people?

[shel311]

But Biffy, you said there were just random art lovers.

This is why I hate politics, too many layers.

[Cnasty]

Even shel is getting in on the "welllllllll technically there was probably a good person there right?????l" party.

What is going on here

[BFiVL]

But Biffy, you said there were just random art lovers.

This is why I hate politics, too many layers.

Lol. I don't work in absolutes here but this is about as close as you can get to saying if you attended that rally you knew good and well who was going to be to the left and right of you on the UTR side.

[Cnasty]

But Biffy, you said there were just random art lovers.

This is why I hate politics, too many layers.

Lol. I don't work in absolutes here but this is about as close as you can get to saying if you attended that rally you knew good and well who was going to be to the left and right of you on the UTR side.

Only if it fits your narrative.

[shel311]

Even shel is getting in on the "welllllllll technically there was probably a good person there right?????l" party.

What is going on here

I asked questions, Biffy technically said or insinuated that, no?

The art lovers comment.

[ReignOnU]

I consider reign a good person.

If reign decides to support this rally and what this statue means to him. Great.

Reign shows up on Friday night and realizes 98% of the group is Neo Nazis, kkk, and white supremisists.

If reign turns and says, nope! I won't be caught dead marching with this group no matter how much this statue means to me and leaves. Good person.

Reign says, eh I really love this statue and I don't mind marching next to these fellas or being associated with them for tonight. Not a good person

Anyone that was at that rally for the intentions of what this group had planned for Friday is not a good person. Saying there were good people there is a lie.

I took his comments out of context. You are taking his comments as gospel.

I'm not taking anything as gospel. I haven't stated any opinion one way or the other. Why? It's not relevant to my point that you said that he said "..." and it was one of the worst things ever and a sad day for America, when he didn't say it and he directly condemned that which you suggested that he supported.

[BFiVL]

Even shel is getting in on the "welllllllll technically there was probably a good person there right?????l" party.

What is going on here

I asked questions, Biffy technically said or insinuated that, no?

The art lovers comment.

I am being extremely sarcastic when I say art lovers and wanting to protect a statue here. I didn't see many museum enthusiasts on either side.

[shel311]

So were there good people on the original protester side or not!!!

[Cnasty]

You believe him "directly condemning" it is genuine.

I do not.

That's the difference.

[shel311]

Shifting back to Team Corey... Though I still stand by my original assertion of it being blown out of proportion, bigly

[nick]

is Shel retarded?

[BFiVL]

So were there good people on the original protester side or not!!!

LOL. Our president thinks so. I can only speculate but a safe assumption would be 9/10 on the right were Klan, Neo Nazis, etc. the 1 other guy was Hoos trying to get season tickets for Virgina.

[shel311]

You believe him "directly condemning" it is genuine.

I do not.

That's the difference.

What's your honest take, that Trump is happy the dude ran down a few people in his car?

If not, what's the insinuation by saying you don't believe it was genuine?

[shel311]

So were there good people on the original protester side or not!!!

LOL. Our president thinks so. I can only speculate but a safe assumption would be 9/10 on the right were Klan, Neo Nazis, etc. the 1 other guy was Hoos trying to get season tickets for Virgina.

Trump didn't condemn that?

Burn him!!!

[ReignOnU]

But Biffy, you said there were just random art lovers.

This is why I hate politics, too many layers.

Lol. I don't work in absolutes here but this is about as close as you can get to saying if you attended that rally you knew good and well who was going to be to the left and right of you on the UTR side.

I think they realized who was there. But you're taking it from the angle that it was like 1% locals supporting the statue and 99% UTR. I'm very aware of what Kessler says, has said in the past (Occupy Wall Street, Obama), and some of the issues preceding the rally.

I've said it for a long time on here, get the information, then form the opinion. But it seems that every time I come into this thread, it's quick witty comments, regurgitated media headlines, and sensationalism. Roughly a microcosm of liberal media. That's the whole reason I replied to the thread tonight. Corey was doing just that.

[BFiVL]

You believe him "directly condemning" it is genuine.

I do not.

That's the difference.

I agree only because his first statement and his speech today. Too much fence riding for me.

[wdoupis]

If not, what's the insinuation by saying you don't believe it was genuine?

Whether the President wants to admit it or not much of his rhetoric has made these groups more empowered and feel like he is their president. I personally do not think he is an actual racist but he is a businessman and politician and will not condemn them the way he should or the way we are used to because it is a sizable faction of his most passionate voters....

I did not say all Trump people are white supremacists before anyone starts with that but surely we can all admit that if you are a white supremacist or something close to it you are also a pretty big Trump fan

[ReignOnU]

You believe him "directly condemning" it is genuine.

I do not.

That's the difference.

Really? Because this worked out well for you already. Go ahead and show me where I said I believe him directly condemning it is genuine. Or you can just skip that factual part and post that your opinion is that I believe that it's genuine.

Reign trust Trumps every word! This is the most tragic day in NDL history! - Corey, 2017, probably.

[BFiVL]

If not, what's the insinuation by saying you don't believe it was genuine?

Whether the President wants to admit it or not much of his rhetoric has made these groups more empowered and feel like he is their president. I personally do not think he is an actual racist but he is a businessman and politician and will not condemn them the way he should or the way we are used to because it is a sizable faction of his most passionate voters....

I did not say all Trump people are white supremacists before anyone starts with that but surely we can all admit that if you are a white supremacist or something close to it you are also a pretty big Trump fan

Not according to our president. He said they hate him. At least Neo nazis do.