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[Crowes]

Why couldn't that US doctor come over and do the treatment in the U.K versus trying to transport a dying child thousands of miles?

I don't think it was really about that. It was basically the government's own doctors decided he had no hope for survival and didn't want to cause him any more suffering.

If virtually every doctor agreed, it would make sense. But it certainly seems like other doctors and international hospitals felt that he had hope, and the hospital where he was staying basically conceded and admitted as much...but as you can see in my previous post, they did so too late.

In the article I posted and in several others I read the hospital tried several times to invite the Dr with the experimental treatment over. Doesn't say why he wouldn't come tho maybe you've read the reason somewhere. He made tho statements about treatment after have seen one MRI and had never seen the child or seen his medical records is what ive read.

[shel311]

I'm pretty sure that one doctor did do that and upon receiving more info, he agreed the kid was too far gone.

But that doesn't really change my point, 7 other doctors and 2 international hospitals thought he did have a small chance, and both hospitals accepted him for admission, and the family secured over $1mil to fund his treatment, so why shouldn't he be allowed that opportunity? Are you really ok with the government having final say on something like THAT, even when final say seems to be at least somewhat in dispute?

I'll say it again, if it were your kid, I have a feeling you may want to see if those other doctors/hospitals can treat him, no?

[shel311]

The only thing that would have turned out different if he was born in the US would be his parents would live with the horrible emotional as well as the financial ruin of our shitty healthcare system.

This is the argument you make with a dog...not a kid.

[The_Niddler]

Solar eclipse coming in August. Enter your zip code for details, pretty cool site:

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/ ... active-map

Extremely pissed about this. Cookeville, TN. We're right in the middle of the path and I'll be in freaking Pittsburgh for work

Contact me Pete, if I can, I will drive in and meet up for a beer or three.

[Crowes]

I'm pretty sure that one doctor did do that and upon receiving more info, he agreed the kid was too far gone.

But that doesn't really change my point, 7 other doctors and 2 international hospitals thought he did have a small chance, and both hospitals accepted him for admission, and the family secured over $1mil to fund his treatment, so why shouldn't he be allowed that opportunity? Are you really ok with the government having final say on something like THAT, even when final say seems to be at least somewhat in dispute?

I'll say it again, if it were your kid, I have a feeling you may want to see if those other doctors/hospitals can treat him, no?

Yes I would but yet again I wouldn't be in the most rational state of mind being as my child had a terminal illness. I would blindly follow any hope there was but on the flip side of the coin am I entitled to make my child suffer because of that?

You are making it seem as if a paper pusher with no involvement with the patient made this decision. This wasn't some backwoods hospital this is a world renowned children's hospital. They are damned if they do damned if they don't. I can see where your coming from but can you not take step back and see that they were only doing what they thought was right to limit the suffering of this child? I assume the other doctors and hospitals had a chance to provide proof that they could treat him and not just prolong his suffering and they couldn't. So its a all around terrible and extremely rare situation.

[Crowes]

The only thing that would have turned out different if he was born in the US would be his parents would live with the horrible emotional as well as the financial ruin of our shitty healthcare system.

This is the argument you make with a dog...not a kid.

I don't think I was saying let him die because of the cost just the observation of what the parents would be left with because of our for profit system.

[shel311]

You are making it seem as if a paper pusher with no involvement with the patient made this decision.

What?

I've made it very cleary. One side said there's no chance. Another side said there's a small chance. That's it.

I can see where your coming from but can you not take step back and see that they were only doing what they thought was right to limit the suffering of this child? I assume the other doctors and hospitals had a chance to provide proof that they could treat him and not just prolong his suffering and they couldn't. So its a all around terrible and extremely rare situation.

Not sure if you missed the part where the hospital concede "fresh evidence" as they called it but they were too late, and had they listened to the other 7 doctors and 2 international hospitals, the kid would have had a fighting chance. Again, the hospital fucked up, I don't even know how that's debateble knowing they tried to get that last second appeal of their own decision.

[shel311]

The only thing that would have turned out different if he was born in the US would be his parents would live with the horrible emotional as well as the financial ruin of our shitty healthcare system.

This is the argument you make with a dog...not a kid.

I don't think I was saying let him die because of the cost just the observation of what the parents would be left with because of our for profit system.

When a few doctors on one side say there's no chance but a few doctors on another side say there's a small chance, in what world do we just ignore the side that isn't the government's and go with the let the kid die side because of money? That's not even getting into the fact that the family had raised $1.75 million.

I guess the answer is the single payer government world.

[shel311]

Please link article saying that. I can find the parents and another dr summited new evidence but not the hospital in the UK concede that hey made the wrong decision.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/07/health/ch ... index.html

When reading, remember, this is the same hospital he was at that decided there was no treatment for him. Then at the last second they filed a motion for a treatment, but after tests deemed he was too far gone for the treatment. Considering his condition has gotten worse as this went on from what I gather, we can speculate(while not knowing for certain) the kid was in a better condition months before all of this started to possibly have been able to go through with said treatment.

The London hospital caring for 11-month-old Charlie Gard has requested a new hearing to consider "fresh evidence" about a possible treatment for his rare condition. The hospital said in a statement Friday that it "applied to the (UK's) High Court for a fresh hearing in the case of Charlie Gard in light of claims of new evidence relating to potential treatment for his condition." On June 30, the European Court of Human Rights decided that Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children can discontinue life support to the baby.

[Crowes]

The only thing that would have turned out different if he was born in the US would be his parents would live with the horrible emotional as well as the financial ruin of our shitty healthcare system.

This is the argument you make with a dog...not a kid.

I don't think I was saying let him die because of the cost just the observation of what the parents would be left with because of our for profit system.

When a few doctors on one side say there's no chance but a few doctors on another side say there's a small chance, in what world do we just ignore the side that isn't the government's and go with the let the kid die side because of money? That's not even getting into the fact that the family had raised $1.75 million.

I guess the answer is the single payer government world.

You are completely missing my point. In no way was I saying deny treatment due to cost. The point was if Charlie was born in the US and received all the medical care needed and still passed away the parents would have far worse off trying to recover from the horrible ordeal of losing a child. Thus the comparison I was trying to make between a for profit system and tax payer funder system its a totally different discussion than wether or not he should be flow to the US for treatment.

[Crowes]

Please link article saying that. I can find the parents and another dr summited new evidence but not the hospital in the UK concede that hey made the wrong decision.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/07/health/ch ... index.html

When reading, remember, this is the same hospital he was at that decided there was no treatment for him. Then at the last second they filed a motion for a treatment, but after tests deemed he was too far gone for the treatment. Considering his condition has gotten worse as this went on from what I gather, we can speculate(while not knowing for certain) the kid was in a better condition months before all of this started to possibly have been able to go through with said treatment.

The London hospital caring for 11-month-old Charlie Gard has requested a new hearing to consider "fresh evidence" about a possible treatment for his rare condition. The hospital said in a statement Friday that it "applied to the (UK's) High Court for a fresh hearing in the case of Charlie Gard in light of claims of new evidence relating to potential treatment for his condition." On June 30, the European Court of Human Rights decided that Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children can discontinue life support to the baby.

Maybe im misunderstanding but the treatment the hospital made the appeal for was different than the treatment the first doctor was trying to get the child flown to the US for correct? So If the child had been given the first treatment with no sucess then the second one would have still been to late?

So how did the hospital fuck up? When a treatment that they thought was viable to help was offered they were willing to let him go. Im not seeing the treatment from the second source was available/ known to them when they went to count to keep him in their hospital maybe I missed it.

[shel311]

The point was if Charlie was born in the US and received all the medical care needed and still passed away the parents would have far worse off trying to recover from the horrible ordeal of losing a child.

Sure. Or the family in America could have sought treatment elsewhere and found a doctor who thought there was a small chance a treatment would work and that treatment could have possibly worked, right?

[Crowes]

The point was if Charlie was born in the US and received all the medical care needed and still passed away the parents would have far worse off trying to recover from the horrible ordeal of losing a child.

Sure. Or the family in America could have sought treatment elsewhere and found a doctor who thought there was a small chance a treatment would work and that treatment could have possibly worked, right?

Sure we can always play the what if game all day. How would have the average family in America have access to experimental treatment in the US that private insurance more then likey wont cover? So were back to the same reality of a horrible situation of a child dying.

[shel311]

Eek!!!!!!


Motorcycle flying runs right into the back of a stationary car, looks like it didn't end well.



http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/ ... 063728.mp4

[The_Niddler]

Wonder if they lived through that?

[Wasted Memory]

Solar eclipse coming in August. Enter your zip code for details, pretty cool site:

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/ ... active-map

Extremely pissed about this. Cookeville, TN. We're right in the middle of the path and I'll be in freaking Pittsburgh for work

Contact me Pete, if I can, I will drive in and meet up for a beer or three.

Oh yeah, completely forgot you're close. Will do for sure.

[GeorgesGoons]

Wonder if they lived through that?

[ReignOnU]

Eek!!!!!!


Motorcycle flying runs right into the back of a stationary car, looks like it didn't end well.



http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/ ... 063728.mp4

Most likely to die... faceplanting into the trunk or flying over the car?

[GeorgesGoons]

Why is drone racing on ESPN? Is there no baseball games available? Another reason I don't watch ESPN until college football season

[cougnix]

Former student of mine was at a bachelorette party and wedding over the weekend. After seeing some of her instagram stories, turns out all her friends are friends with Dan Blezarian. Never would have guessed a kid from my school would be just casual friends with him, lol. Funny story about her. One day kids were doing some class work, kids were quiet, very little talking and she blurts out "Yeah and I had his cock in my mouth before." She was talking about a kid that was rumored to have an std or something like that. Yikes

FYI, check out sofia_bevarly on instagram. That's not the girl but she was all over the stories over the weekend