2044-Season Thread-The Bear Necessities!

[Wasted Memory]

IMMERSION!

[shel311]

** Wasted beat me to it, but further expounding on it**

How is this part of the option rules interpreted again?

- Max Dollars allowed on option years = No more than 25% of the average yearly salary of all guaranteed years

I always guessed it was meant to say that option years can't be more than 25% "greater" than the average yearly salary of all guaranteed years -- and that the "greater" part was left out (as it doesn't read like a complete thought/rule without it in my mind).

Does the rule also only apply to team options and not vesting or player options?

If it applies to all, a contract that is 5 - 10 - 12 (PO) - 12 (PO) would violate the rule as the average yearly salary guaranteed is 7.5 while the option year is 60% higher.

It is unclear if this part of the options rule was meant to combat this and if we're missing/not applying it correctly.

I interpret it just like you do. So his 4 years for Cintron, for example, average out to $15.625mil/year. The 2 option years are $22mil each, more than the 25% max, which I believe would have capped out at $19.5mil per for the 2 option years.

So yea, I think it may actually be against our rules for Cintron, haven't checked the others.

[nick]

Player Contracts:
- Contracts are allowed to have 2 option years per contract
- Every option year(team/vesting) must include a buyout of at least 25% of that year's salary
- Max Dollars allowed on option years = No more than 25% of the average yearly salary of all guaranteed years

Cintron = 4 guaranteed yrs at 62.5 = 15.625/season. * 1.25 (25%) = 19.53.. 2 PO yrs = 22 mil - Illegal
Morales = 2 G yrs at 15 = 7.5/season * 1.25 = 9ish mil and ya his PO's are 12+ - illegal

if Player Option applies to option years then neither of these are legal.

[nick]

damn looks like we were all typing the same thing :\

i only brought it up cause webs has no problem shitting on others for integrity when he's been like this from his 1st stint

fuck, even his other players are illegal by these rules

Julian Rivera - RF - Guaranteed yrs = 8/72.5 or 9 mil/season + 2 15 POs - Illegal
Tim Weeks - 3 yrs 8 mil total with a 5 mil PO - illegal
Jose Ramirez - 4/7.5 or like 2mil/season - 5m PO - illegal

so thats 5 players.. all with 2 POs..

[Cnasty]

Player Contracts:
- Contracts are allowed to have 2 option years per contract
- Every option year(team/vesting) must include a buyout of at least 25% of that year's salary
- Max Dollars allowed on option years = No more than 25% of the average yearly salary of all guaranteed years

Cintron = 4 guaranteed yrs at 62.5 = 15.625/season. * 1.25 (25%) = 19.53.. 2 PO yrs = 22 mil - Illegal
Morales = 2 G yrs at 15 = 7.5/season * 1.25 = 9ish mil and ya his PO's are 12+ - illegal

if Player Option applies to option years then neither of these are legal.

I dont agree with this. You are saying the option years should be less than the actual guaranteed contract years? That would make zero sense in my opinion to offer a guy less in a player option than what you are guaranteeing him. Going from 5 to 10 and then up to 12 doesn't seem unreasonable but as Rob said, I cant count.

[nick]

Player Contracts:
- Contracts are allowed to have 2 option years per contract
- Every option year(team/vesting) must include a buyout of at least 25% of that year's salary
- Max Dollars allowed on option years = No more than 25% of the average yearly salary of all guaranteed years

Cintron = 4 guaranteed yrs at 62.5 = 15.625/season. * 1.25 (25%) = 19.53.. 2 PO yrs = 22 mil - Illegal
Morales = 2 G yrs at 15 = 7.5/season * 1.25 = 9ish mil and ya his PO's are 12+ - illegal

if Player Option applies to option years then neither of these are legal.

I dont agree with this. You are saying the option years should be less than the actual guaranteed contract years? That would make zero sense in my opinion to offer a guy less in a player option than what you are guaranteeing him. Going from 5 to 10 and then up to 12 doesn't seem unreasonable but as Rob said, I cant count.

no the option yrs should be within the 25% increase.

[Cnasty]

Wouldnt that make the option $11,875,000...basically $12,000,000?

[nick]

5 mil + 10 mil = 15 mil
2 yrs

15 / 2 = 7.5

7.5 * 1.25 = 9.37 Mil/yr

[Cnasty]

$7,500,000 x 25%= $1,875,000 + the last year of the guaranteed contract $10,000,00 would equal $11,875,000

I always interpreted that rule that you cant go more than 25% over the average of the guaranteed years so yea he is illegal but by 25,000 not a large amount and might have been bad math....like me.

[Wasted Memory]

$7,500,000 x 25%= $1,875,000 + the last year of the guaranteed contract $10,000,00 would equal $11,875,000

I always interpreted that rule that you cant go more than 25% over the average of the guaranteed years so yea he is illegal but by 25,000 not a large amount and might have been bad math....like me.

Someone's confused. Maybe me...

25% over the average of the guaranteed years
If the guaranteed years are $5M and $10M respectively, that would make the average of the guaranteed years $7.5M. So 25% of that is $1.875M. $7.5M +$1.875M = $9.375M

[nick]

i got confused for a sec but its under the 25% threshold because people used to do say 4/50, and 10/10/15/15 and the back 2 would be TOs with 0% buyout so the PC would think they got 4/50 and really they got 2/20 because ud decline when they regressed.

[Cnasty]

Probably me honestly as my weakest point of being the commish is math.

[nick]

$7,500,000 x 25%= $1,875,000 + the last year of the guaranteed contract $10,000,00 would equal $11,875,000

I always interpreted that rule that you cant go more than 25% over the average of the guaranteed years so yea he is illegal but by 25,000 not a large amount and might have been bad math....like me.

ya but hes manipulating that rule by having it 5/10. Most ppl in this league give 2/3/4/5/6 type contracts

[nick]

Probably me honestly as my weakest point of being the commish is math.

its a lil of both. youre right i think in the final yr comparison, but it was also implied when ppl gave 3/15 and it was 4/5/6, or 2/15 was 7/8.. not 5/10. So on 5/10 its i suppose legal but super lame to offer that type of contract (yes i know some players ask for it).

and thats why we take avg. Avg becomes 7.5 and then hes over the new amount by 3 mil.

only infuriates me because those POs will be declined 10000000000000000000%. Theres bum MRs in January asking for 10m/yr and Morales is gonna be a stud so he'll decline that with ease.. OCD will get a player who thinks hes getting 39 mil will get 15.

And it also bugs me because Web is quick to throw others under the bus for cutting corners and then he does it..all..the...time...

[Wasted Memory]

I don't really care one way or the other. Was just fun getting some posts going on in here.

However, while not advocating for more rules or rule changes, etc, I do think this needs to be more clearly defined. It presents an unfair advantage when competing for FA's on the contract negotiations if people are interpreting the rule differently.

[GeorgesGoons]

The off-season over yet?

[Cnasty]

ya but hes manipulating that rule by having it 5/10. Most ppl in this league give 2/3/4/5/6 type contracts

Not sure I agree with that in seeing a lot of deals lately they aren't simply increasing in 1,2,3 type increments.

Also a lot of guys are front loading deals in large amounts and then dropping them by say $5-10mil and not saying it is wrong as you are paying it early but are those deals also considered unrealistic?

Point being is that it never ends and how do we police it?

[Cnasty]

The off-season over yet?

For Omaha the offseason should be like playoff time with how they perform in the regular season.

[Cnasty]

However, while not advocating for more rules or rule changes, etc, I do think this needs to be more clearly defined. It presents an unfair advantage when competing for FA's on the contract negotiations if people are interpreting the rule differently.

How do you define it in a deal that you made in getting Carlos Flinch Lopez?

$26+mil in year 1 and 2 and then $15mil each subsequent year.

We dont have a rule on that but I am curious to see historical signings to see a guy get a $12mil+ pay cut for 7 years after that.

Not calling you out but perusing big contracts recently and saw him.

[GeorgesGoons]

The off-season over yet?

For Omaha the offseason should be like playoff time with how they perform in the regular season.

There is always high hopes in Omaha, then mid April comes and crushes them