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[shel311]

Agreed. The list that person tweeted was actually a little cut off.

Spoiler!

9/09/96 aggravated battery

10/31/97 2nd degree battery

1/06/98 simple battery

5/04/00 public intimidation

9/20/00 carnal knowledge of a juvenile

9/04/01 domestic violence

5/24/05 burglary of an inhabited dwelling place

7/11/05 receiving stolen things

9/12/05 burglary of inhabited dwelling place

3/17/06 simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery

4/12/06 aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry

4/04/08 domestic abuse battery

6/03/09 resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent

10/12/09 illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession

8/13/15 failure to register as a sex offender

4/08/16 failure to register as a sex offender

6/14/16 ecstacy and marijuana possession

I'll never understand how people with these types of rap sheets don't go to jail for longer sentences after continually fucking up.

[nick]

El Chapo escaped again

[Wasted Memory]

El Chapo escaped again

Hoax

[GeorgesGoons]

El Chapo escaped again

Hoax

I was just about to post, "NO FUCKING WAY!"

[nick]

El Chapo escaped again

Hoax

says who?

[Crowes]

Then there would be no maybe he was going for the gun in his pocket while struggling on ground with the cops.

We don't know how it would have ended had they chose another route, fwiw.

I've already said I'd much prefer after tasing, drawing a weapon and waiting for backup, but we don't know we wouldn't have ended the same way, with the suspect reaching for a weapon and being shot. Maybe it changes everything, maybe it ends similarly.

One can reasonably assume that if they didnt start a struggle with this man he would be alive and in jail or at least his death wouldnt have so many questions around it.

You can take one more step back and say if a convicted felon (haven't verified it myself but it's what I heard) wasn't waiving his gun at someone this would have never have happened also. There are a lot of ifs and ands to spin it any way someone wants. But it boils down to this man's actions to start this unfortunate chain of events. Not saying right or wrong on whether the cops should be let off but I am sure there are more to the story than what is shown so far. There are body cam videos that may exonerate or help convict these cops. I am thinking they will be exonerated due to the possibility of this guy going for his gun.

For me it is completely irrelevant what his past is, the officers had no idea of his criminal record and what they got the call for became mute for they arrived and no gun was out thus no direct threat to them or anyone else. Why have cops? Why cant we just form a posse and go deal out justice if we aren't gonna hold them to a higher standard to deescalate and subdue potential suspects so they can have their due process.

Barring them arriving and him charging them and initiating the struggle or him hurting another individual they should have never tried to tackle him and are responsible with the end result which was his death in my book which doesn't count for much but never the less. If he doesn't comply you continue talking him down till you have back up.

When deadly force is used there should be no question that it was the only resort of the police. We continually see what comes off as excessive force from police that leads to a death where it is anything but clear the officers where right in their use of lethal force we will continue to see tension run high and the crazy one's commit the horrendous acts that we saw in dallas.

[GeorgesGoons]

Barring them arriving and him charging them and initiating the struggle or him hurting another individual they should have never tried to tackle him and are responsible with the end result which was his death in my book which doesn't count for much but never the less. If he doesn't comply you continue talking him down till you have back up.

So let me get this right, because I don't want to put words in your mouth.

If he doesn't comply with orders the cops should keep talking to him? When does that end before he is tased or tackled to the ground and subdued? What if there is no back-up available, the cops are supposed to talk to this guy for an hour or more until backup arrives? That thought process is asinine in my opinion.

There was already a call that he brandished a gun at someone. The cops know (or have to assume) he has a gun, or at least he did prior to them showing up. It doesn't take long to pull the weapon and start shooting. You've seen reports of cop shootings before where they shoot 30 times (between 2 cops) and only 3 or 4 hit the subject. If that guy is a better shot then a cop gets killed because people like you want cops to play with kid gloves and talk things out rather than taking down a subject.

[ReignOnU]

The last few days of this thread have been 'special.'

[Crowes]

Barring them arriving and him charging them and initiating the struggle or him hurting another individual they should have never tried to tackle him and are responsible with the end result which was his death in my book which doesn't count for much but never the less. If he doesn't comply you continue talking him down till you have back up.

So let me get this right, because I don't want to put words in your mouth.

If he doesn't comply with orders the cops should keep talking to him? When does that end before he is tased or tackled to the ground and subdued? What if there is no back-up available, the cops are supposed to talk to this guy for an hour or more until backup arrives? That thought process is asinine in my opinion.

There was already a call that he brandished a gun at someone. The cops know (or have to assume) he has a gun, or at least he did prior to them showing up. It doesn't take long to pull the weapon and start shooting. You've seen reports of cop shootings before where they shoot 30 times (between 2 cops) and only 3 or 4 hit the subject. If that guy is a better shot then a cop gets killed because people like you want cops to play with kid gloves and talk things out rather than taking down a subject.

We can keep playing the what if game all night. It is obvious that we have a problem with how some police use force can we agree on that?

It isnt the job of cops to tag and bag citizens of this country if they don't comply right away. Im not saying that police lives don't matter and they should wait till bullets are flying before they use deadly force but to me it should be understood you are putting your life on the line to serve and protect the public so you will be held to a higher standard and receive the training to be held to that standard. If that doesnt fly with you come join me working in a factory where my mistakes don't result in people dying . There has to a medium between "kid gloves" and the super aggressive tactics that go from suspect not complying to suspect dead in a matter of minutes.

[Crowes]

Me smart you dumb.

Gotcha

[nick]

I wanna become a pilot but I'm afraid of heights. But I'm still gonna do it even though I know I'm not capable of doing it.

This is most cops. they get hard dicks knowing they got more power than the little bit their wives give, and then they abuse it.

[GeorgesGoons]

We can keep playing the what if game all night. It is obvious that we have a problem with how some police use force can we agree on that?

It isnt the job of cops to tag and bag citizens of this country if they don't comply right away. Im not saying that police lives don't matter and they should wait till bullets are flying before they use deadly force but to me it should be understood you are putting your life on the line to serve and protect the public so you will be held to a higher standard and receive the training to be held to that standard. If that doesnt fly with you come join me working in a factory where my mistakes don't result in people dying . There has to a medium between "kid gloves" and the super aggressive tactics that go from suspect not complying to suspect dead in a matter of minutes.

I 100% agree some use excessive force. But at the same time a lot of these "victims" believe they are above the law and don't have to comply with orders given to them from the police. If they comply these shootings wouldn't be happening.

There has to a medium between "kid gloves" and the super aggressive tactics that go from suspect not complying to suspect dead in a matter of minutes.

You don't have minutes to make life or death decisions. you have seconds, fractions of seconds to make those decisions. I don't have a problem with aggressive tactics when they are rolling up on these situations. But I am a white LAW ABIDING male where the chance of me being put in that situation is very slim, so maybe I am just ignorant to their plight.

[DRiccio21]

rule of thumb...

don't label people or classify entire groups of people with one opinion

saying 'cops are this way' or 'black people are this way' or 'doctors are this way' is a pretty ignorant way to look at things

[DRiccio21]

But at the same time a lot of these "victims" believe they are above the law and don't have to comply with orders given to them from the police. If they comply these shootings wouldn't be happening.

you're making assumptions and speculating.

maybe most of them do (just for the sake of this reply, i'm not willing to make assumptions like that so broadly), but a police officer can't be right 'most' of the time when taking lives into consideration.

[GeorgesGoons]

But at the same time a lot of these "victims" believe they are above the law and don't have to comply with orders given to them from the police. If they comply these shootings wouldn't be happening.

you're making assumptions and speculating.

maybe most of them do (just for the sake of this reply, i'm not willing to make assumptions like that so broadly), but a police officer can't be right 'most' of the time when taking lives into consideration.

I agree, my bad. I should have prefixed it with the ones that were used as rally cries to show that police did not use excessive force in the end but were thrown under the bus right from the start.

[GeorgesGoons]

I wanna become a pilot but I'm afraid of heights. But I'm still gonna do it even though I know I'm not capable of doing it.
.

I'm afraid to do it. I know I could do it. I'd rather die due to someone else fucking up rather than me killing myself and other people because i fucked up.

[DRiccio21]

the vast majority of people are hopeful and loving and want good.

about .000001% are bad

and about 10-20% are fearful of the .0000001% and act from a position of hate because of their fears. like yoda says '“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

most people are really good people. most blacks, most whites, most christians, most muslims. don't fall into the trap of fear.

[ReignOnU]

Me smart you dumb.

Gotcha

You feeling guilty? Solid defense mechanism kicking in there.

[Crowes]

Me smart you dumb.

Gotcha

You feeling guilty? Solid defense mechanism kicking in there.

What in the world are you talking about? Feeling guilty about calling u a knuckle dragger? Nope not in the slightest.

[Seeitsaveit13]

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