Politics and stuff

[Crowes]

Another big difference in comparing what Bernie wants to a Dictator controled socialist country is that Bernie would not be a dictator. We like some of the northern European countries have a strong check and balances government so there is no way we can get to the doom and gloom scenario of the US turning into Cuba or some other dictator back socialism. Just my 2 cents.

[Crowes]

I was reading about socialism in those countries just maybe a week ago. From what I recall, it's not as great and rosy as it seems. It was back in the 70s, but not as much any more. And the 2 or 3 articles I read all agreed that it worked not because of the culture of those countries, which are different than ours.

I agree it would be a culture shock but the oligarchy we have turned into now isnt working for the majorty of americans.

[Crowes]

They are taxed out of their minds. Those countries also have less people living in them than New York City. They are like a suburb. They also have a higher percent of people contributing to the economy. The United States is just too damn big with too many people for that model to work.

Well yes we can't just port over everything they do and hope it'll work for a country this size but little sprinkles here and there might do wonders.

[ReignOnU]

They are taxed out of their minds. Those countries also have less people living in them than New York City. They are like a suburb. They also have a higher percent of people contributing to the economy. The United States is just too damn big with too many people for that model to work.

In my experience trying to explain the social demographics of Nordic countries to most Sanders supporters is nearly useless. I spend time time on European based message boards than I do on this one. It's the same disconnect that happens when Nordics try to relate to many of the issues in the United States. To put it into perspective, Norway is basically the US equivalent of Minnesota. In most cases, Minnesota is still more diverse.

[shel311]

European message boards...what in the world!!!

[ReignOnU]

Trying to get out of bubble!!!!

[Cnasty]

People bitch and complain about Trump and his harsh ways, inability to lead a country with his brash personality, and invoking many Americans to hate and have violence. People complain about Clinton and her lies and shady ways of campaigning and lack of formidable options in her lies.

Yet we have one candidate that hasn't taken a red penny from a lobbyist, speaks to what a large portion of what this county has been asking for, and has one of the best track records that can be proven on his stances and honesty and yet many still vote for the options they complain about.

The people in this country really scare me and the majority of how they vote puts my mind in a haze of whaaaaaaaaa?!?

[GeorgesGoons]

People bitch and complain about Trump and his harsh ways, inability to lead a country with his brash personality, and invoking many Americans to hate and have violence. People complain about Clinton and her lies and shady ways of campaigning and lack of formidable options in her lies.

Yet we have one candidate that hasn't taken a red penny from a lobbyist, speaks to what a large portion of what this county has been asking for, and has one of the best track records that can be proven on his stances and honesty and yet many still vote for the options they complain about.

The people in this country really scare me and the majority of how they vote puts my mind in a haze of whaaaaaaaaa?!?

Too bad that large majority isn't showing up in polls for him (for Bernie supporters that is).

[OracleHCR]

People bitch and complain about Trump and his harsh ways, inability to lead a country with his brash personality, and invoking many Americans to hate and have violence. People complain about Clinton and her lies and shady ways of campaigning and lack of formidable options in her lies.

Yet we have one candidate that hasn't taken a red penny from a lobbyist, speaks to what a large portion of what this county has been asking for, and has one of the best track records that can be proven on his stances and honesty and yet many still vote for the options they complain about.

The people in this country really scare me and the majority of how they vote puts my mind in a haze of whaaaaaaaaa?!?

So a conservative person who doesn't like Trump or Cruz should just abandon what they believe in and vote for Bernie? Or should they vote for the person who most closely represents what they believe?
His track record isn't the greatest. You should look into the VA scandal that occurred under his watch.

[Cnasty]

So you are stating that people should vote based on party lines alone and stay conservative even though they dislike the candidates or the candidates running within that party?

That's part of the problem with the makeup of this political system in the nation.

And his track record is absolutely fantastic compared to any single candidate in this race and to one off a "scandal" is pretty funny considering his opponents and their "scandals".

I am not telling anyone how to vote but to vote because you are conservative and abandoning their party seems like a good reason to when someone has standards and agendas much better than their own party.

[OracleHCR]

It isn't about party. It is about beliefs. I don't agree with Bernie Sanders on anything. I think him and his agenda are bad for this country. I would rather vote for someone who more closely represents my beliefs than vote for someone I have nothing in common with. It isn't really hard to understand.

[Cnasty]

No shit you won't vote for someone you don't relate to. I'm not dense.

I wasn't referring to you specifically but to the people who state they hate trump or Clinton but eh we should because Bernie doesn't stand a chance and I guess I'll stick with my party.

[OracleHCR]

Tell me about it. I love Ben Carson but we see how that turned out. Kasich is my personal choice out of the remaining republicans but I have no illusions that will pan out either.

[Crowes]

No shit you won't vote for someone you don't relate to. I'm not dense.

I wasn't referring to you specifically but to the people who state they hate trump or Clinton but eh we should because Bernie doesn't stand a chance and I guess I'll stick with my party.

It all boils down to god, guns, and the wet dream of one day I'll be rich from low taxes and no regulation by voting republican. While that might not be anyone on here there is alot of the republican electorate that vote based those ideals.

[OracleHCR]

You just can't help yourself can you? I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with limited government, controlled spending and personal responsibility could it?

[Crowes]

You just can't help yourself can you? I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with limited government, controlled spending and personal responsibility could it?

Maybe that's not you but in 99% of the conversations I have with people that live around here that is what they vote on. I might have quoted the wrong post I wasnt say thats why you vote.

[OracleHCR]

You need to move

[Crowes]

You need to move

Maybe but I don't like city living, I like having my space and it not taking 20 minutes to drive 4 miles.

[Crowes]

You just can't help yourself can you? I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with limited government, controlled spending and personal responsibility could it?

So you identity with what seem to me as a libertarian line of thinking correct? Wouldn't Bernie's goal of campaign finance reform go further in getting a major libertarian party or more then just the two cluster fucks of partys we have now since they wouldn't have to worry about money anymore?

[OracleHCR]

I also want my guns, God and wet dream of becoming rich due to lower taxes.
I believe term limits would do the same thing. No one should make a career being in the Senate or HoR. They have made themselves a ruling class voting on their own wages and not living by the rules they make for the rest of the country. Limit them to two terms and get new blood in there every 8 years and the rampant corruption and being beholden to those who got them elected will be more controlled.