Fanduel / Draft Kings Discussion

[ReignOnU]

Yeah, you definitely will. It does take some commitment. Another that is pretty important is to play consistently. Try to make a lineup every night, even if it's somewhat half-assed from the spreadsheet and you only play for a tiny amount. It's important to remain in the know about current player rotations. You don't really have to watch the games, though it helps. But check box scores, look at minutes played and if you see people post tournament links in FD chat, click them and see which players are having great nights. It will help in lowering the learning curve and adapting throughout the season.

[Cnasty]

I currently do by ratios then value. Then I make small adjustments based on budget to improve value in other spots if I can trim.

Seems backwards but again I am trying to get to as much green on my screen as possible for BM as it looks pretty as a newb

[The_Niddler]

We should be referring each other as you get a little bonus for references.

[DRiccio21]

and if you see people post tournament links in FD chat, click them and see which players are having great nights. It will help in lowering the learning curve and adapting throughout the season.

unless i'm missing it, i think they took FD chat out like a year ago.

[DRiccio21]

use basketball monster as a guide, but don't take it so literal.

for example if you see a guy with a 25 projection vs a guy with a 24.2, you can use a little discretion there. i'm not saying go against the numbers by any means. but don't be scared to go against what they are projecting if its close.

for example, they constantly have Trey Burke rated real well and i refuse to use him. it might be my bias but everytime i look at his lines he's average at best.

look thru the numbers yourself, try to see why they are projecting certain things (is it an injury, is it just how the guys playing, is it the opponent) but use those value/ratio as guides.

also someone (reign) should do a training seminar on bankroll mgmt. its probably just as important as putting together consistent lineups.

[nick]

https://rotogrinders.com/live these dudes do vids daily, and they are the big winners and they give little tidbits that help.

[trendon]

use basketball monster as a guide, but don't take it so literal.

for example if you see a guy with a 25 projection vs a guy with a 24.2, you can use a little discretion there. i'm not saying go against the numbers by any means. but don't be scared to go against what they are projecting if its close.

for example, they constantly have Trey Burke rated real well and i refuse to use him. it might be my bias but everytime i look at his lines he's average at best.

look thru the numbers yourself, try to see why they are projecting certain things (is it an injury, is it just how the guys playing, is it the opponent) but use those value/ratio as guides.

also someone (reign) should do a training seminar on bankroll mgmt. its probably just as important as putting together consistent lineups.

1. I can't since I don't watch any basketball at all.

2. Yes, bankroll management is just as important as picking winners. Interestingly enough, I was wondering about how well you could use DFS with a labby or reverse labby system since the payouts are - obviously - greater than even odds. You only need to win 33.3% of your games to run a successful labby. I've been doing it with tennis for years now and I know absolutely nothing about tennis at fucking all.

[ReignOnU]

use basketball monster as a guide, but don't take it so literal.

for example if you see a guy with a 25 projection vs a guy with a 24.2, you can use a little discretion there. i'm not saying go against the numbers by any means. but don't be scared to go against what they are projecting if its close.

for example, they constantly have Trey Burke rated real well and i refuse to use him. it might be my bias but everytime i look at his lines he's average at best.

look thru the numbers yourself, try to see why they are projecting certain things (is it an injury, is it just how the guys playing, is it the opponent) but use those value/ratio as guides.

also someone (reign) should do a training seminar on bankroll mgmt. its probably just as important as putting together consistent lineups.

Don't be afraid to be skeptical of BM. For those that I sent my spreadsheet to, you probably see that I recalculated the fantasy points calculation and the ROI (Ratio) field. The reason I did this was because if I didn't feel confident about the stat line that BM was giving me, I'd change their projected stats. Sometimes it is just trending wrong. You can do a quick check by looking at a player's recent game logs. Typically, once a week or a little longer, I would go through BM projections and hit the game logs for every player, just to see where there were flaws that I needed to remember. If something looks to good to be true on BM, it very well may be. Hit the game logs and see if it's practical. If it's not, adjust accordingly. Also, when you make the adjustment, look at other players that may be impacted by it. I've found flaws in projections that were based on Player A getting 30min and Player B getting 15min, when the opposite was mostly true. This is more advanced... but you're going to want to work towards it.

[ReignOnU]

I've always been more aggressive with my bankroll than I should have been, because I felt overly confident in the winning %. For a beginner, I'd recommend 5% in play per night. Now keep in mind, if you've got $10 in the account, I only consider that your bankroll if your intention is to only ever play on that $10. If you know what your bankroll is (all in), then you should adjust accordingly.

After you track yourself for about a month and evaluate your winning percentage, I think you're safe to loosen up. I would aim for 10% on most nights, with some nights approaching a 1/7th cap. Based on previous conversation about 2 years ago, Condia was pushing 20% consistently and he pushed over 1/3 on opening week of football in 2012... in which he lost almost all of it.

[trendon]

I'm at 2% with college football wagers and 1% with NFL wagers. I started with a $5,000 bankroll for both. Otherwise known as $100/$50 (I don't count juice; some do.) After a very successful opening two months, I am now up to $125/$60.

For DFS, I don't yet have a bankroll in mind. I am thinking my next deposit (if needed; crossing fingers) will be $200 and we'll go with 10%. My goal is to be good at this when football ends as I do not wager on any other sports excepting the rare NBA bet (riding a team with an injured superstar.)

[shel311]

I'm at 2% with college football wagers and 1% with NFL wagers. I started with a $5,000 bankroll for both.

Is that 1 and 2% per bet or per night?

I ask because that's basically $50-100 but you've posted a few $500+ bets.

[shel311]

Patrick Patterson has shot up to the top ratio in play tonight, getting the starting nod with Valanciunas. Trying to decide if I should insert Patterson.

[trendon]

I'm at 2% with college football wagers and 1% with NFL wagers. I started with a $5,000 bankroll for both.

Is that 1 and 2% per bet or per night?

I ask because that's basically $50-100 but you've posted a few $500+ bets.

Per bet. And, yes, I am 1-5 on any bet larger than $200, lol. I lost over a grand on Utah State and Connecticut alone. And I am still up just under $2,000 for the season. It's been weird.

[Cnasty]

Is it ok to leave money on the table even after trying to finagle and move things around or is it a mistake to never leave extra cash?

I have $200 extra but have tried to justify it somewhere else but I like my line up tonight without.

[Cnasty]

Locking it in barring any last minute changes for injury in the next 2 hours:

Tony Parker
Tony Wroten
Jimmy Butler (already becoming a personal fav)
Kevin Martin
Tobias Harris
Gordon Hayward
Markieff Morris
Patrick Patterson (inserted on the injury news front)
Nikola Vucevic

[trendon]

Anything I should know about with this lineup?

Pos Player FPPG
PG Chris Paul 46.4 swap out
SG Jimmy Butler 38.6 swap out
SF Shawne Williams 24.8 swap out
PF P. Patterson 18.9 swap out
C Al Jefferson 34.4 swap out
G Deron Williams 34.5 swap out
F Taj Gibson 27.9 swap out
UTIL Pau Gasol 38.8

[nick]

im only playing the late slate, and its a tough one. got some guys down thus far but need some cheap plays or else it wotn work

[trendon]

im only playing the late slate, and its a tough one. got some guys down thus far but need some cheap plays or else it wotn work

HA! I am in the same fucking boat as we speak.

PG Chris Paul LAC@GS $9,600 swap out
SG
SF
PF Markieff Morris Mem@Pho $6,000 swap out
C DeAndre Jordan LAC@GS $6,900 swap out
G Trey Burke Cle@Uta $5,500 swap out
F Kevin Love Cle@Uta $9,200 swap out
UTIL Goran Dragic Mem@Pho $6,000 swap out

I only have $6,800 remaining and all of the cheap options suck.

[nick]

without Steph, Lebron, Love, Blake and Paul, i have the nicest possible lineup for tonight's games imo lol

Cle @ Uta
Mem @ Phx
LAL @ GS
Den @ SAC

i got

Collison
Irving
Klay
C Lee
Barnes
Hayward
Faried
ZBo
Bogut

good lineup or no?

[ReignOnU]

Is it ok to leave money on the table even after trying to finagle and move things around or is it a mistake to never leave extra cash?

I have $200 extra but have tried to justify it somewhere else but I like my line up tonight without.

A couple hundred on the table is common. If it's over 300... I'd at least start looking around. That was normally the point where I usually felt I could get more value. It's also going to be relative to the size of the player pool. I prefer to play when there are 5-9 games going. That is optimal, imo.