E3 2013

[shel311]

In the last 2 days I've traded in one Galaxy S2 and 2 PS3 games and have turned roughly $165 into $213 in trades.

PS4 halfway paid for.

If you have an old cell phone, look it up on the Gamestop website, they're offering crazy amounts on smartphones.

I'll eventually trade in my ps3 and my wife's phone when she upgrades and it'll probably get right about to the ps4 being free.

[OracleHCR]

Sounds like you have it all worked out.

[nick]

ya i am thinkin about sending my iphone in. but meh, rather just keep it for 2nd phone sake. Up here woot, only have to put $50 down to preorder.

[Wasted Memory]

Just got an email from amazon telling me that my order has been upgraded to the launch edition. Think ill keep my GameStop preorder so I don't have to wait for the package.

Figures, I should have kept my Amazon pre-order.

Just got that same email from Amazon this morning. Immediately thought of you Niddler.

[BFiVL]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudios ... r=yahootix


Gamers are speaking with their wallets following E3 2013, a show that was dominated by Sony PlayStation 4 in the next gen battle. Amazon has already sold out of the $400 PlayStation 4 launch edition of the next gen console, which will be available on day one of Sony’s launch. Sony is still selling PS4 as a $400 Standard Edition, but is not guaranteeing when gamers will receive that version this fall.
PS4 is also being bundled as a $500 bundle with two different versions, one including Electronic Arts’ Battlefield 4 and PS Plus and one including Guerilla Games’ Killzone Shadow Fall and PS Plus. There are also two other bundles retailing for $460, one including Sony’s Knack and the other including Ubisoft’s Watch Dog.
The Xbox One Day One Edition is still available for $500. Amazon is not currently selling any Xbox One bundles. Microsoft’s Forza Motorsport 5 is the only Xbox One game in the Top 20 bestselling games list on the site. Sony has three PS4 games (Watch Dogs, Battlefield 4 and Killzone Shadow Fall) in the Top 20. Gamers are also buying the Dualshock 4 PS4 controller and the PlayStation 4 Camera. Three of the PS4 bundles (all but the Knack bundle) are in the Top 20 in Amazon sales.
While the PS4 Standard Edition is listed number one and Xbox One Day One Edition is listed number two on Amazon, sources have told me that PS4 is outselling Xbox One by two to one. I’ve emailed Amazon to confirm these numbers, but have not heard back. Baird video game analyst Colin Sebastian confirmed that PS4 is outselling Xbox One on both Amazon and GameStop, but has not revealed any specific numbers.
Amazon is currently running a Facebook poll asking consumers which console they’ll purchase, PS4 or Xbox One. With only six hours left in the poll, 95% of the over 40,000 gamers who replied said they’d be purchasing a PS4.
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Michael Pachter, video game analyst for Wedbush Securities, expects Sony to sell 12 to 15 million PS4s in its first year. He expects an unsubsidized Xbox One will sell 9 to 10 million in its first year.
“I still expect a subsidy for the Xbox One, and each $100 in lower price probably represents 4 to 5 million units annually,” said Pachter. “At E3, Sony highlighted its used game and DRM policies, and that will make a difference to the hardcore. With that said, there are a lot if Microsoft fan boys out there, so it may not mean a share shift of more than 1 to 2 million consoles. I don’t think ‘new’ customers will understand or care that much.”
But those numbers are for the first entire year at retail shelves. Pachter believes Sony and Microsoft will only have about 3 million consoles available worldwide for launch. PJ McNealy, analyst for Digital World Research, said that historically no console has sold more than 1 to 2 million units in North America in a launch window.
Even when consoles are popular, like Nintendo Wii was at launch, supply is shared across the world and the demand doesn’t catch up until the following year. Early numbers are showing a demand for PS4 and Xbox One, but the strong showing by Nintendo Wii U at E3 hasn’t bumped its next gen console into the Top 20 on Amazon and none of the new Wii U first party exclusives have made the list.
I was able to check out both PS4 and Xbox One games with hands-on demos at E3 this past week. Infamous Second Son stood out in the Sony first party camp, along with Driveclub, Killzone Shadow Fall and Knack. Microsoft had a solid racer with Forza Motorsport 5 and Capcom’s Dead Rising 3 offered an open world zombie experience. Respawn’s Titanfall (an Xbox One, Xbox 360 and PC exclusive) stood out in the crowded shooter genre with its micture of giant Titans and on-foot pilots gameplay.
In talking to a developer who wished to remain anonymous, gamers will see a difference on Day One when they compare third party PS4 games to Xbox One head-to-head. The developer told me the PS4 is 40 percent more powerful than Xbox One and games like Call of Duty Ghosts will be noticeably different out of the gate.
In the past, Xbox 360 games looked better out of the gate and over time PS3 games progressively improved to the point where games like The Last of Us and Beyond: Two Souls stand out even against some next gen titles. But if this differentiator holds true, not only will Xbox One games have DRM issues and no rental options and limited used game opportunities, the games won’t look as good as PS4 titles. That sounds like a perfect storm of negativity for the hardcore gamers.
This processing power issue also could be a potential reason behind the latest controversy that has emerged for Microsoft at E3, in which photos were taken of some Xbox One games running on Windows 7 PCs with NVIDIA graphics cards. Sony PS4 developers took to Twitter saying PS4 demos were running on PS4 dev kits. I know playing PS4 games behind closed doors that the PS4 was clearly visible as I played.
Microsoft certainly has a lot of work to do between now and its November launch to win over gamers. It’s the hardcore that are voting now early on sites like Amazon and GameStop. There’s also a much larger audience to connect with. But right now the number of negative stories surrounding Xbox One far outweigh anything positive.

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[Cnasty]

Sony really did an amazing job setting this up for success and learning from past mistakes at price point.

They even slipped in us having to now pay $50 a year to play online but I didnt care one bit because I get something back and the price point at $400 is so awesome.

I will wait and see if these day one batches have any issues as the fat boy PS3 did and cross my fingers that it doesnt.

[sixpackdan101]

Sony really did an amazing job setting this up for success and learning from past mistakes at price point.

They even slipped in us having to now pay $50 a year to play online but I didnt care one bit because I get something back and the price point at $400 is so awesome.

I will wait and see if these day one batches have any issues as the fat boy PS3 did and cross my fingers that it doesnt.

What issues did the fat boys have? I'm still rockin a 60GB fat boy.

[texasfan4444]

I'm on my 3rd ps3. One fat boy, one slim, and the latest slimmer version. All suffered YLOD as well as my 2 PS2s. Hopefully they did address some of the durability issues.

[nick]

$50/yr for online or $4.17 a month is a no brainer, especially if thats used towards stronger servers and shit.

[OracleHCR]

Sony really did an amazing job setting this up for success and learning from past mistakes at price point.

They even slipped in us having to now pay $50 a year to play online but I didnt care one bit because I get something back and the price point at $400 is so awesome.

I will wait and see if these day one batches have any issues as the fat boy PS3 did and cross my fingers that it doesnt.

What issues did the fat boys have? I'm still rockin a 60GB fat boy.

I still have an original 80gb and a 120gb second generation fatboy.

[BIGmike]

I'm also on PS3 number 3.

[Uuaww]

I'm on PS3 number 3, lost the first two to salt corrosion though.

[texasfan4444]

I'm on PS3 number 3, lost the first two to salt corrosion though.

#islandproblems

[Cnasty]

I also got the YLOD during an NDL:F gathering of course.

Quick stop at Best Buy with Shel and AJ and its still running strong.

Hopefully the PS4 is solid right from the start.

[The_Niddler]

I'm on my 3rd ps3. One fat boy, one slim, and the latest slimmer version. All suffered YLOD as well as my 2 PS2s. Hopefully they did address some of the durability issues.

I am on an original 60 GB fatboy with backwards compatibility too, but I remember the issues they had.

If you have went through 2 of them and are on our 3rd, I would be paying attention to where you have it.
If it is inside a tv stand or entertainment center and especially one that has closed doors, get the system out in the open.
It needs air to breath!

Again, I do remember the issues though, not saying it is your fault, just a suggestion.

[Cnasty]

Microsoft trying to save their ass after PS4 has dominated in sales:

"Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback," he wrote. "I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One. You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world."
[Related: Microsoft boss defends Xbox One price]
And you'll be able to do exactly that. From the site:
An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games
After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today
There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

[shel311]

Damage is done

[swellvermin]

both have a loyal following....its preference.

Im hardcore...I have two ps3's and two 360's... I like sports games on ps3, obviously; blu ray as well.

I like WATCH ESPN, HBO GO, Windows Media Center, internet explorer and all other games on the 360.

I like the 360s dashboard and navigation and UI better than PS3 too. And cant go wrong with XBLive and the controller.

Like I said, its all what you like, and both companies really do have loyal followers. Ive got both preordered, like a boss.

[ajalves]

preordered mine yesterday at gamestop

[Toro]

Quick stop at Best Buy with Shel and AJ and its still running strong.

What did they do for it?

They always send my stuff out for like 3 weeks.