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[packsyD22]

Watching the video of paternos interview with media yesterday that Dave and reign posted and it's sad that there are even cheers goin on. He clearly has lost it IMO and with Paterno retiring AT the end of the season it lets him go on his own terms and I think that's just wrong.

[steelcitychaos]

But at this time, we simply have no idea what was said or happened between any of the parties involved. You CANNOT believe the media as you know they are going to spin it to add drama or to have you thinking/believing what they want you to.

What I do know as fact, or confirmed by Paterno:

- Paterno was notified of an issue in 2002, or whenever.
- Paterno followed chain of command and nothing ever really came out of it.
- Some time in the past 18 months, Paterno was interviewed by a grand jury regarding the issue
- The grand jury investigating Sandusky found that he was given an office across the street from Paterno’s, a parking pass and other amenities as part of his 1999 retirement package
- He didn’t lose any of those things until this past weekend


Sorry, for me, that is plenty information for Paterno to know that something serious is going on he, along with everyone else, just turned a blind eye.

I read the other day the reason Paterno followed the chain of command in 2002 was because Sandusky was not on the coaching staff. Granted I agree nothing has been published as far as what took place once paterno followed the chain of command and what involvment he had after that. But he was aware that something happened, and having more power than any other D-1 coach , after reporting the incident and still seeing Sandusky around the campus and not doing anything more puts Paterno at fault. It might come out that they tried to get Sandusky therapy or some type of rehabilitation, still Paterno and what ever chain he followed in 2002 was aware that something happened on school grounds and to think they might have actually tried to cover that up.

2 things I have been wondering about this
Why is the school so loyal to Sandusky and didnt do anything about this sooner?
and
Does anyone know what/who came forward to start this investigaion?

[ajalves]

Why is the school so loyal to Sandusky and didnt do anything about this sooner?

maybe he is also taking a hit for someone else

[shel311]

Why is the school so loyal to Sandusky and didnt do anything about this sooner?

maybe he is also taking a hit for someone else

Paterno is Sandusky.

Sandusky is Paterno.

[ReignOnU]

But at this time, we simply have no idea what was said or happened between any of the parties involved. You CANNOT believe the media as you know they are going to spin it to add drama or to have you thinking/believing what they want you to.

What I do know as fact, or confirmed by Paterno:

- Paterno was notified of an issue in 2002, or whenever.
- Paterno followed chain of command and nothing ever really came out of it.
- Some time in the past 18 months, Paterno was interviewed by a grand jury regarding the issue
- The grand jury investigating Sandusky found that he was given an office across the street from Paterno’s, a parking pass and other amenities as part of his 1999 retirement package
- He didn’t lose any of those things until this past weekend


Sorry, for me, that is plenty information for Paterno to know that something serious is going on he, along with everyone else, just turned a blind eye.

Just to hit on your bullet points...
- He was told something... but we don't know what.
- The chain of command he followed included the supervisor of university police
- ...
- Sandusky isn't a member of the football staff, Paterno has no control over where his office is located
- Again, Paterno isn't in control of this.

So what if Paterno was told something misleading or not nearly a full representation of what McQ saw? Then, acting on what he did know, he informed his superior and the supervisor of university police. They tell Joe, thank you for reporting, we'll take it from here. Joe sees Sandusky on campus, figures that whatever the incident was, that he didn't have the best details on, must have not been a big issue. This isn't as far fetched as it seems. Again, it's all going to come back to what he actually knew/what McQ told him. The guy that should be crucified right now is McQ for running out of there and meeting with his daddy/JoePa when he had the chance to take legitimate action himself.

[shel311]

Sandusky isn't a member of the football staff, Paterno has no control over where his office is located
- Again, Paterno isn't in control of this

I think that is very debateable.

They tell Joe, thank you for reporting, we'll take it from here. Joe sees Sandusky on campus, figures that whatever the incident was, that he didn't have the best details on, must have not been a big issue.

If I'm a football coach and something allegedly happens in my team's showers with a child no less, there is zero chance I'd ever just assume it must not have been a big issue.

There would be higher ups in my office explaining what happened with written reports, interviews, all of that good stuff. If Paterno wanted that, he would have gotten that. And like I said, maybe he did do all of that. BUt that's hard to believe since Sandusky was using the weight room just last week. And no, I won't believe for one second that Paterno has no control over who uses his weight room lol.

[ReignOnU]

Sandusky isn't a member of the football staff, Paterno has no control over where his office is located
- Again, Paterno isn't in control of this

I think that is very debateable.

They tell Joe, thank you for reporting, we'll take it from here. Joe sees Sandusky on campus, figures that whatever the incident was, that he didn't have the best details on, must have not been a big issue.

If I'm a football coach and something allegedly happens in my team's showers with a child no less, there is zero chance I'd ever just assume it must not have been a big issue.

There would be higher ups in my office explaining what happened with written reports, interviews, all of that good stuff. If Paterno wanted that, he would have gotten that. And like I said, maybe he did do all of that. BUt that's hard to believe since Sandusky was using the weight room just last week. And no, I won't believe for one second that Paterno has no control over who uses his weight room lol.

The fact that it is debatable means that it is possible. So you confirm that it's possible.

You've been told that "Mr. Sandusky was fooling around with someone else" in the shower. Nothing more. You're getting all of that stuff? Really? This is what I'm trying to point out, you don't know what was said.

And here's an interesting read I picked off of the Audibles message board:
http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011 ... o-why.html

[Cnasty]

Paterno is getting off light and it's ridiculous because he is paterno in the public courtroom.

Him reporting it is not enough and yes it may be my opinion but if I'm a grown ass man and hear of that within my program,showers,coaches I'm calling the cops and F administration if they don't step up once I tell them.

[DRiccio21]

You've been told that "Mr. Sandusky was fooling around with someone else" in the shower. Nothing more. You're getting all of that stuff? Really? This is what I'm trying to point out, you don't know what was said.

YES!

i don't care if it was a smoking hot 25 year old female graduate student, if i found out someone associated with my program was 'fooling around' in my team showers, i'd demand to know what was going on.

reign, i think you're WAY too close to the situation to make a rational opinion on this.

and again, stop pretending like Joe Pa is just another coach, he is the most powerful person in the history of the university. nobody comes before him unless something crazy like this happens.

[shel311]

and again, stop pretending like Joe Pa is just another coach, he is the most powerful person in the history of the university. nobody comes before him unless something crazy like this happens

This.

If he says Sandusky needs to be gone and can't keep an office across the street from him any more and doesn't want him anywhere near his football department, I don't think for one second the AD can put a stop to that.

[ReignOnU]

Paterno is getting off light and it's ridiculous because he is paterno in the public courtroom.

Him reporting it is not enough and yes it may be my opinion but if I'm a grown ass man and hear of that within my program,showers,coaches I'm calling the cops and F administration if they don't step up once I tell them.

He reported it to the head of university police. Not a dude in blues, not the chief... he reported it directly to the chief's boss. As the link I posted states, this is a 256 member force with the authority of a municipal department. State College, if you didn't know, is it's own community in the middle of the mountains. The university force plays as large a roll in the town as the municipal force.

[jsence2]

Someone in here (can't find it) said that "whatever Paterno says goes" at Penn State.

Which is exactly why I hold him accountable for this. That tells me either he didn't really pursue it, or he told them not to.

[Cnasty]

Ence got it right.

Dude is a god there and university police, give me a break.

You tell me you have the power at the university you aren't going as high as you need to. FBI, federal type agents.

Let me go contact the university police schmo rent a cop about a kid getting raped in my athletic showers.

Give me a break.

[jsence2]

You do realize that even though the perception is and media wants you to believe, that what JoePa says goes on campus...

Bingo.

[ReignOnU]

You've been told that "Mr. Sandusky was fooling around with someone else" in the shower. Nothing more. You're getting all of that stuff? Really? This is what I'm trying to point out, you don't know what was said.

YES!

i don't care if it was a smoking hot 25 year old female graduate student, if i found out someone associated with my program was 'fooling around' in my team showers, i'd demand to know what was going on.

reign, i think you're WAY too close to the situation to make a rational opinion on this.

and again, stop pretending like Joe Pa is just another coach, he is the most powerful person in the history of the university. nobody comes before him unless something crazy like this happens.

You're off base. I'm more than willing to completely implicate him in this, as soon as I see that he is involved in some kind of cover up. I'm also one of those fans that wanted Joe to move on along time ago. But what I'm not, is someone that is going to blow him up without knowing that he deserves it. (which is why I quickly changed my stance when you questioned my positioning on the other 2 guys... I wasn't being fair and I was letting my emotion move ahead of my cognitive thinking)

McQ - We know exactly what he saw and what he did... absolutely unacceptable.

Joe - We know he knew 'something,' ... know Sandusky miraculously retired... Joe went to the head of the police department... he was aware of an investigation between the head of the PD and McQ... he was aware Sandusky was back on campus with privileges... he didn't have direct authority over Sandusky... he cooperated with a grand jury investigation... he is not being charged with anything by the GA... he wishes he did do more.

Shultz - We know he talked to McQ... we know the grand jury didn't find his statement credible. He should be fired.

Curley - We know he was informed by Paterno / McQ... we know the grand jury didn't find his statement credible. He should be fired.

Spanier - We know he was made aware of the 1998 report, he was informed of the 2002 incident by Curley, Sandusky continued to have privileges that he had full control over. He should be fired.

It's not about being close to the situation, it's about objectively looking at facts. I'm doing the exact same thing I did when I looked at the OSU situation earlier this year. As much as I hate them, I still took the time to look at it from all angles.

[texasfan4444]

Official....sorry if already posted..

"I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.

"I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

"That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can. This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.

"My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University."

[ReignOnU]

Ence got it right.

Dude is a god there and university police, give me a break.

You tell me you have the power at the university you aren't going as high as you need to. FBI, federal type agents.

Let me go contact the university police schmo rent a cop about a kid getting raped in my athletic showers.

Give me a break.

Vice President and head of University Police is a schmo? Sign me up.

[ReignOnU]

You do realize that even though the perception is and media wants you to believe, that what JoePa says goes on campus...

Bingo.

You might want to pull the "..." and finish my quote. It completely goes against your stance.

[jsence2]

Ence got it right.

Dude is a god there and university police, give me a break.

You tell me you have the power at the university you aren't going as high as you need to. FBI, federal type agents.

Let me go contact the university police schmo rent a cop about a kid getting raped in my athletic showers.

Give me a break.

At UK, the campus police were no better than mall cops. I wouldn't trust them to do anything more than parking tickets. The ROTC crew did more to secure campus than they did.

[Cnasty]

University police and authority level, yes.

If you don't get the answers or actions on a criminal activity you are aware of and you just stop there, yes.

This is my opinion and you are welcome to disagree and as I do with yours.

I just don't understand how a man with that much power at that university didn't have anything done.

It's not like it's will muschamp at florida or whoever that rookie coach is st Ohio state. This is joepa. Am I giving him to much clout? I'm thinking not

So he is either lying,not telling all he knew, or he is more involved than playing on.

Either way, how a grown ass man doesn't go to federal agents, FBI, some association, something with a little kid getting demoralized within zones of my athletic program until something is at least done, is beyond me. Again, my personal opinion.