Strategy Points

[Cubskin]

Ban it all! Just my 2 cents. Plz continue.

[walker213]

Ok I am going to lay out my thoughts on this in the best way possible.

The game was developed knowing that these features would be used in the game. While some abilities in the Strategy can be abused others can not.

example.....

When I first started playing the game I was messing around with the settings going aggressive and conservative on different things. I noticed I was getting many face mask calls. There was one game with Texasfan that I remember where between the two of us we had 5 face mask calls in like 8 plays. After the game I read that if you have strip ball on aggressive then this will happen. It was something that the game designers I believe made to be used at certain key moments in the game. If you keep it on the whole time you will get face mask penalties. Every once in a blue moon you may pop a ball out.

This feature really shows risk and reward. In real life there are times when teams gamble and try and strip a ball and the guy gets a TD, and sometimes they will get the fumble.

Every single feature has risk and reward.

Last night in a game with Hoos I fumble the ball 3 times. I was not big hit or anything. I just fumbled. So the next game I turned on Conservative Big run. Give me less big plays (which I had none of after) and less fumbles and I had no fumbles.

I really don't see why there is a problem turning that on. The thing is also no one ever knows I have it on. They only see when I turn on Jump the snap and I get 3 points a play. Its all psychology. Every single time Jump the snap is on you will not get sacked, but every once in awhile it happens and people get all up in arms about the feature, because it does work. If you have it on all game you may only get your Defense to go off- sides once. There appears to be a real balance issue with Jump the snap game wise. So I understand if people want to be upset about that one.

If we have something like "play the run" that people dislike then we need to make a rule about it. Jump the snap seems to be one of those things. I personally think its ok in moderation. I was turning it on on 3rd downs trying to get some pressure. and guess what.....


Yes OMG I was trying to get an advantage on big downs. It does not always work though. I have been beat numerous times when doing that. NUMEROUS. People call zone if it beats a player. WHY? because it gives them an advantage.

Last night I was playing someone in the league that said I was cheesing because they said I used that. REALLY? CHEESING? Makes no sense to me. You know what else? this person never said a word to me about it. If they did I would probably never do it again, because I want people to have fun playing me, and I respect other people opinions.

Now back to the whole psychology thing. Because these Strategy points are new and foreign to us I think people are rejecting them. Everyone says they can't be used it causes an advantage. Well If its bad enough to dock someone points if they EVER use them then we need to look at putting rules in place for them to never be used at all.

This is supposed to be a league of mature gamers. So lets tak about it like we are mature and not be babies. We need to discuss what it Kosher and what is not Kosher, and then as a group we need to mix those opinions and come up with a league wide ruling on the issue.

I know that I won 1 game last season and I did not even get in the top 30 percentile in coaches reports. 2 people in my comments said I had too many strategy points. Wtf? I try to play a very straight game with in the league rules. I am Obviously getting destroyed every game so I am not doing anything to get that big of an advantage. Because of this I would like to see a ruling on the issue.

If people are allowed, and going to dock me points because I guess the pass or jump the snap on a third down. I will quit doing it. The leagues thoughts and my points are more important to me than winning.

I couldn't possibly agree anymore. I think we need to make rules about these things. They should be either on or off. Because all people are different. Some guys, like myself, could careless if people use strategy points. Other people, will dock you. This is why we need a rule.

[VeniVediV1ci]

i would like a uniform ruling on this one, too.

And there is a precedent for this because the guess run was banned mid-season in Season XVI

[tkpeterson12]

I really don't care one way or another, but I just don't want to get dinged for it by other coaches. I didn't use any of the new features in Season 16 and actually had coaches say in my reports that I should use some of the new features, (I guess they were getting tired of kicking my butt all the time) so I added the play the pass on 3rd and long situations to try to help out my defense.

Again, I don't care which way we decide and at least for now, I'll just not use them to be on the safe side, but as probably one of the few coaches in this league with NO real "stick skills" to speak of, it's not about a "win at all cost" mindset but simply about trying to be competitive.

[Bernie32]

people docking for something that is in the game, not against the rules, and used in moderation= garbage

[VeniVediV1ci]

people docking for something that is in the game, not against the rules, and used in moderation= garbage

agree.

I play on conservative for most things, but i really need to help my secondary with the play the pass because if I don't then i give up 3rd and 23 conversions as they were 3rd and 2's

[nick]

hey guys, if you wanna use these gimmicks theres a lobby room you guys can play in, im sure we can find new owners to replace you.

it's simple; DON'T USE THEM. or ASK before the game.

makes me wonder how good some of you really are now that I hear all these things are put to aggressive and guessing the pass.

what happens next version when this shit isn't in it anymore? you guys gonna start lobbing every play? geesh folks.

[shel311]

people docking for something that is in the game, not against the rules, and used in moderation= garbage

Gonna have to agree there.

I'm just glad those most everyone I play nowadays, I see 0 strategy points almost every time. And even when they have a few, it's like usually less than 5-10 points, which isn't bad at all.

[brett11253]

never use them and don't plan to. plain and simple.

[Bernie32]

I would like to make an observation here, I just got blasted by PSU 33-0, I had him in 5 3rd and longs, and the only time I stopped him was the only time I didn't use play the pass. Where's the advantage? You still have to make the right calls and plays, it's not like picking these things automatically gives you something. unless I am doing it wrong.

[walker213]

The sad thing is, even if we straight up ban the feature, people will still complain that you're using the strategy thing if you're successful. If you break two tackles in a run, they'll think you're using big run, if your offensive line blocks well on a few plays they'll assume you have on aggressive blocking, etc.

What to do...

[nick]

The sad thing is, even if we straight up ban the feature, people will still complain that you're using the strategy thing if you're successful. If you break two tackles in a run, they'll think you're using big run, if your offensive line blocks well on a few plays they'll assume you have on aggressive blocking, etc.

What to do...

stop bitching and crying like you don't go 11-2 every year.

[walker213]

How is that even relevant to what I said?

[packsyD22]

This thread is very interesting.

I play one thing aggressive in all of the options and that is "get open" feature because if I am scrambling I want my guys to break their route deep and not come back....its just what I coach and its what I believe works. It also does not give you any kind of advantage in the game obviously.

Here is how I feel about play pass and some of you may think I am crazy but I try and keep the play pass feature to a realistic extent. After my first season with UVA, in which I did use play pass, I was getting beat on 3rd and 14, 3rd and 15, 3rd and 21 constantly with two BAD ASS CB's. So with them the second stint I told myself to play more pass on 3rd and long. It worked pretty well. So that is how I use "play the pass." I am sorry but in college football 3rd and over 12 is a very difficult conversion, especially on the road, and in this game I feel like I have a better chance at 3rd and 12 sometimes than 3rd and 3 in this game.

With that being said I use play the pass in "moderation" and use it in game situations, just like a DB would or a coach might do. Thats the best way I can put it. Trust me it is still very possible to complete a ball when someone is using it as well. It just seems like for me, especially in zone coverage the DB's play a smarter brand of football. I was so tired of my corners in cover 2 on 3rd and 12 jumping 2 yard outs and letting a moderate ball go sailing over their head. I find with play the pass they play smart more realistic defense.

Sorry for the novel not normally like me but its just my 2 cents.

[doc]

my problem with it is this. MODERATION isnt always used. Lets say ur up 14 and in control. Why the hell would you have the pick or force fumble on? To me thats not MODERATION. You dont need it dont use it. In my cup game with Dole he used jump the snap my whole last drive in the game and it dint help him. He didnt use it in the game until late. I have no issue with it he needed to do something. The minute that is on in not needed situations is when I have a problem. When I try to throw a pass on 2nd and 3 and I have been running all game and u play the pass really? Just think about it. On 3rd and a mile you know Im passing use play the pass. I will never use any of it. Fell free but if you use it in situations when ur up and just wanting to win thats shit is straight BULLSHIT !! Play how you need but dont say its wrong for people to dock you when you use it outside moderation. My moderation theory may not be the same as yours but thats the chance you take using the gimicks. By the way the way we do have a rule on these issues its moderation. Try using it.

[fsupenguin]

I personally think we have to go with a ban, or people need to lighten up about these. It is not all about forcing more fumbles and jumping snaps. While using the aggressive D-line feature is BS, and if you do it to be I was fake snap you to death with offside penalty's till you turn it off . But these things have very clear risks and rewards, it is not gaining and edge on your opponent in some like this is a glitch or some lobby room tactic. I am really surprised so many guys I respect are saying they dock people points for using these, your are basically saying it doesn't matter if it is not against the rules you think it is unfair so people should be punished for it. Sounds exactly like the argument some have used in the past when playing people who like to pass 90% of the time or run a option based offense .

[Ank]

I am really surprised so many guys I respect are saying they dock people points for using these, your are basically saying it doesn't matter if it is not against the rules you think it is unfair so people should be punished for it. Sounds exactly like the argument some have used in the past when playing people who like to pass 90% of the time or run a option based offense .

Perfectly said chris!

I hate the user catch, but I would never dock someone points if they user catch every damn pass. If you dont break a clear cut written rule then why/how should you be docked?

[ChampDizzle]

the only thing I leave on is Big Run to conservative cause fumbles suck! Other than that, I won't use much except on 3rd and long the pass play on defense. If my opponent doesn't really use it, I won't either. One thing I do hate is if we are using the play pass, stop using it if you are up by 3 scores in the 4th. What are you trying to do? I consider this just like "running up the score". The only time I docked someone for this was using it very late up 4 scores and if at the end of the game I see 68 points on it, you will get docked for the "moderation" rule. And yes it has happened two seasons ago but I assume every1 was getting the feel of it.

[Steamrollr22]

Its unbelievable that some of you guys have a problem with the use of any of the features found in the game.. The key as always is moderation and mixing it up. To dock someone for using these options even when they are perfectly legal is BS...IMO.. These options are a neccessary evil, like ive said before, so I dont see how you can ban any of it. If you do prepare for some 45-42 games with NO defense.

IM suprised no one has mentioned the one feature that I use the most. Zone coverage Aggressive/Conservative.. this one creates no advantage at all..just makes your zones deeper or shorter..U guys want to ban it...come on...

[BFiVL]

I am really surprised so many guys I respect are saying they dock people points for using these, your are basically saying it doesn't matter if it is not against the rules you think it is unfair so people should be punished for it. Sounds exactly like the argument some have used in the past when playing people who like to pass 90% of the time or run a option based offense .

Perfectly said chris!

I hate the user catch, but I would never dock someone points if they user catch every damn pass. If you dont break a clear cut written rule then why/how should you be docked?

The real argument is skill over pushing a button and having the cpu do the work for you. All of the gimmicks that folks hate, can be done with user skill, but its easier to flip a switch for example to strip than to actually switch to a guy and manually do it.