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Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:28 am
by Graywolf357
Would Like to make are league just like MLB Draft Lottery and open to all non playoff teams.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:21 am
by GeorgesGoons
I was actually going to do the same Winter Meeting topic. Obviously we can't start it for the next draft
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:44 am
by Whittness10
You mean like the NBA lottery, right?
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:31 am
by GeorgesGoons
Whittness10 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:44 am
You mean like the NBA lottery, right?
Correct
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:01 am
by qazhby
We have less teams that make the playoffs though how would that be affected?
Also it depends on the odds- I dont think you should have a chance at a top 3 pick if you finished 14th
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:21 am
by Graywolf357
qazhby wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:01 am
We have less teams that make the playoffs though how would that be affected?
Also it depends on the odds- I dont think you should have a chance at a top 3 pick if you finished 14th
I was looking at the MLB model. Last teams out were like 0.67% something that little to no shot but I love it battle's tanking even more.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:24 am
by shel311
Whittness10 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:44 am
You mean like the NBA lottery, right?
Speaking of, Ryan can you confirm exactly how the lottery works?
Is it like the NBA in that we do the top 4 only then everyone slots in after? So basically, you have the ping pong balls, and the first team you select should win pick #1, then 2/3/4. That's it for the lottery, and everyone else slots in based on record.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:38 am
by michaelk
I voted, and then relized I would like more info on how this would work exacly. So I may change my vote based on how it would work.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:48 am
by TheGobOne
shel311 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:24 am
Whittness10 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:44 am
You mean like the NBA lottery, right?
Speaking of, Ryan can you confirm exactly how the lottery works?
Is it like the NBA in that we do the top 4 only then everyone slots in after? So basically, you have the ping pong balls, and the first team you select should win pick #1, then 2/3/4. That's it for the lottery, and everyone else slots in based on record.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
That's the draft lottery sheet. Top 3 teams get equal chance and then it tapers off. Billy set it up so I'd need to talk to him but I would think we stay the same and just keep tapering off the %s. I will look into it.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:53 am
by TheGobOne
So it looks like the MLB does exactly what we are suggesting here. Here are the odds they use
1 16.50%
2 16.50%
3 16.50%
4 13.25%
5 10.00%
6 7.50%
7 5.50%
8 3.90%
9 2.70%
10 1.80%
11 1.40%
12 1.10%
13 0.90%
14 0.76%
15 0.62%
16 0.48%
17 0.36%
18 0.23%
They don't have a rule in place like the NHL where you can only jump 10 spots so technically 18 would have a super small chance to jump to 1. Also that restriction is almost impossible to simulate from all the sites I searched so just copying what the MLB does seems like right play. An eyeball test seems like the %s are pretty good to me.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:55 am
by shel311
I get the odds and such but do you pick the "ping pong balls" 10 times are just 3 or 4?
And conversely, the 1st team chosen should be the #1 pick, then the next #2, and so on, correct?
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:56 am
by GeorgesGoons
TheGobOne wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:53 am
So it looks like the MLB does exactly what we are suggesting here. Here are the odds they use
1 16.50%
2 16.50%
3 16.50%
4 13.25%
5 10.00%
6 7.50%
7 5.50%
8 3.90%
9 2.70%
10 1.80%
11 1.40%
12 1.10%
13 0.90%
14 0.76%
15 0.62%
16 0.48%
17 0.36%
18 0.23%
They don't have a rule in place like the NHL where you can only jump 10 spots so technically 18 would have a super small chance to jump to 1. Also that restriction is almost impossible to simulate from all the sites I searched so just copying what the MLB does seems like right play. An eyeball test seems like the %s are pretty good to me.
I like that
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:56 am
by TheGobOne
shel311 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:55 am
I get the odds and such but do you pick the "ping pong balls" 10 times are just 3 or 4?
And conversely, the 1st team chosen should be the #1 pick, then the next #2, and so on, correct?
We use a website and I honestly have no idea how it works in the background tbh. It just runs off pure %s I assume.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:08 pm
by shel311
Just looked at that Google Doc, I think we need some major overhauls to the lottery.
Looking at 2085, SF had the #1 lottery odds but finished with the #9 pick. Maybe that's what guys want, but I'm not a fan of that all. I'd think the lottery and "ping pong balls" should only pick 3 or 4 teams. And the rest are slotted in by record.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:12 pm
by TheGobOne
shel311 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:08 pm
Just looked at that Google Doc, I think we need some major overhauls to the lottery.
Looking at 2085, SF had the #1 lottery odds but finished with the #9 pick. Maybe that's what guys want, but I'm not a fan of that all. I'd think the lottery and "ping pong balls" should only pick 3 or 4 teams. And the rest are slotted in by record.
Then you are voting no on this proposal sir lol. It's been this way since 2085.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:13 pm
by shel311
This poll definitely makes the above worse.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:34 pm
by ajalves
shel311 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:08 pm
Just looked at that Google Doc, I think we need some major overhauls to the lottery.
Looking at 2085, SF had the #1 lottery odds but finished with the #9 pick. Maybe that's what guys want, but I'm not a fan of that all. I'd think the lottery and "ping pong balls" should only pick 3 or 4 teams. And the rest are slotted in by record.
I brought this up 5 seasons ago.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:31 pm
by wdoupis
Right now it selects all 10 spots mainly because the only site I found that is free and allowed me to reveal one at a time from 10 to 1 did not give the option to only do a certain amount. I am sure a more tech savvy person can find something that works.
For the record I like it better like this.
Re: Draft Lottery Open to all non playoff teams
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:37 am
by TheGobOne
This has failed 9-13.