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“We sell iPhones in over a hundred countries,” a current Apple executive said. “We don’t have an obligation to solve America’s problems. Our only obligation is making the best product possible.”

I love how every iPhone-waving liberal hipster screams down with capitalism and Corporate America but their beloved Apple does nothing to help the very country that enables them to be one of the most profitable companies in the world.

Not long ago, Apple boasted that its products were made in America. Today, few are. Almost all of the 70 million iPhones, 30 million iPads and 59 million other products Apple sold last year were manufactured overseas.

Why can’t that work come home? Mr. Obama asked.

Mr. Jobs’s reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” he said, according to another dinner guest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/busin ... wanted=all

Can we get Trendon to chime in on this please??

Sigh. One of the worst American companies in history. I am going to look like a fucking historian in 40 years when everyone stops licking their iThings and realizes, "Fuck, my kid's future is fucked in small part to Apple."

I'm going to buy a Shuffle.

Give me a god damn break. Apple isn't the problem its the government that has created this problem. I don't have answers, I don't have anything else to add. That is all.

cougnix wrote:Give me a god damn break. Apple isn't the problem its the government that has created this problem. I don't have answers, I don't have anything else to add. That is all.

I'm not saying they're the problem. It's their arrogance that pisses me off more than anything. Better for their execs to just keep their mouths shut than to shit on America and Americans by saying stuff like that.

this is one of the most misinformed posts in the history of the NDL. maybe ever.

if you think Apple is bad for America you are clueless and delusional.

DRiccio21 wrote:this is one of the most misinformed posts in the history of the NDL. maybe ever.

if you think Apple is bad for America you are clueless and delusional.

Think beyond a P&L statement please. From a technology and a legal standpoint, they are a fucking nuisance of epic proportion. If I had to name 20 reasons why I am going back to school to potentially get into law, "fighting Apple" would be somewhere in the second set of ten.

trendon wrote: I am going to look like a fucking historian in 40 years

It used to be 20 years, not it's 40.

shel311 wrote:

trendon wrote: I am going to look like a fucking historian in 40 years

It used to be 20 years, not it's 40.

Call it thirty.

UnTouchable8 wrote:“We sell iPhones in over a hundred countries,” a current Apple executive said. “We don’t have an obligation to solve America’s problems. Our only obligation is making the best product possible.”

Good to see a company coming out and being honest about something like this.

Very Barkley "I am not a role model like"



They're right imo, their obligation is their product, not all of America's issues.

They better watch their tone. The DoJ went after Microsoft for absolutely fucking nothing and nailed them.

DRiccio21 wrote:this is one of the most misinformed posts in the history of the NDL. maybe ever.

if you think Apple is bad for America you are clueless and delusional.

It's not just Apple. It's every big corporation that offshores jobs. Apple just happened to get singled out in this article.

trendon wrote:

DRiccio21 wrote:this is one of the most misinformed posts in the history of the NDL. maybe ever.

if you think Apple is bad for America you are clueless and delusional.

Think beyond a P&L statement please. From a technology and a legal standpoint, they are a fucking nuisance of epic proportion. If I had to name 20 reasons why I am going back to school to potentially get into law, "fighting Apple" would be somewhere in the second set of ten.

if it wasn't for Apple there is a very good chance our country is in a depression at this point.

besides apple there has been very little inovation in our country over the past decade.

whether you like their inovations/marketing/performance or not, they created and executed something NEW. that NEW sector has allowed for thousands of other companies to succeed. you can say it would have happened without Apple or that other companies had the technology sooner or better but that doesn't matter if they don't execute it. i took some little mp3 player public like 10 years ago, the technology was awesome, probably a cooler thing than the ipod at the time and it went to zero. the execution sucked.

you have to seperate your hatred for a product and realize how incredible the company has been.

shel311 wrote:

UnTouchable8 wrote:“We sell iPhones in over a hundred countries,” a current Apple executive said. “We don’t have an obligation to solve America’s problems. Our only obligation is making the best product possible.”

Good to see a company coming out and being honest about something like this.

Very Barkley "I am not a role model like"



They're right imo, their obligation is their product, not all of America's issues.

of course... and this is common sense type stuff.

yet we have the 'go america' crowd who wants to tax these companies more. it just makes absouletly no sense. they do whats best for their company and shareholders and consumers, like they should.

DRiccio21 wrote: you have to seperate your hatred for a product and realize how incredible the company has been.

I have and, currently, their contributions to the tech sector have now gone into the red. They are a fucking menace. The only hope we have is that courts continue to strike down their bullshit like they just did for Samsung. HTC is up next. They are a complete and total menace with their litigious ways, throttling of technology to fit their little iCult/iCommune, and their tech-like BMW tax for owning their products.

UnTouchable8 wrote:

DRiccio21 wrote:this is one of the most misinformed posts in the history of the NDL. maybe ever.

if you think Apple is bad for America you are clueless and delusional.

It's not just Apple. It's every big corporation that offshores jobs. Apple just happened to get singled out in this article.

If its true that they cant find the workforce they need to be competitive here in the US, what would you prefer they do? Lose ground to their competitors like Samsung? This isnt the 1940s anymore. If you want to be a successful global company, you have to be able to compete in a global economy.

first off i do have an iPhone and a macbook pro. (uhhh... the computer automatically capitalized the p in iPhone, shouldn't that tell you something about apple?) they do make good products.

but i do think that apple is bad for america. all of their stupid lawsuits over the way that one phone looks next to another, or one tablet vs the next is just ridiculous.
and why the hell do people stand in line waiting for days for a stupid phone? yeah it does some nice things, and so does the androids (i've had two), but it is still a phone. but that is more of a dumbing down of america.

oh and steve jobs is not a god. he was just a guy that wore a black turtle neck to prove that he didn't have any dandruff and knew how to market his product.

as far as the gov't and taxes go, who knows. lots of loopholes and b.s. no matter how you look at it from taxes to gov't assistance to businesses.

brwnbear wrote:

UnTouchable8 wrote:

DRiccio21 wrote:this is one of the most misinformed posts in the history of the NDL. maybe ever.

if you think Apple is bad for America you are clueless and delusional.

It's not just Apple. It's every big corporation that offshores jobs. Apple just happened to get singled out in this article.

If its true that they cant find the workforce they need to be competitive here in the US, what would you prefer they do? Lose ground to their competitors like Samsung? This isnt the 1940s anymore. If you want to be a successful global company, you have to be able to compete in a global economy.

The world is Flat.

trendon wrote:

DRiccio21 wrote: you have to seperate your hatred for a product and realize how incredible the company has been.

I have and, currently, their contributions to the tech sector have now gone into the red. They are a fucking menace. The only hope we have is that courts continue to strike down their bullshit like they just did for Samsung. HTC is up next. They are a complete and total menace with their litigious ways, throttling of technology to fit their little iCult/iCommune, and their tech-like BMW tax for owning their products.

this has happened for centuries. a new restaurant opens down the street and you have leverage, you crush them and force them to go out of business. they might have been able to make a better chicken parm than you in the long run, but that doesn't matter if you can still sell your chicken parm more than they can.

if their chicken parm is materially better, it'll sell regardless. they'll figure out how to get things to work. if it's not materially better than people will stay at your restaurant because its cooler and more chic and they are comfortable with it.

if you then open up 10 more restaurants off the success of your chicken parm and employ hundreds of more people than you are doing well and its a net positive for the community. if then you can sell the marinara and cheese that you use on your chicken parm seperately and create new revenue streams you are executing even better. if then a couple copy cats come along and build their own chicken parm similar to you than you are eventually going to get into a war of quality. the better executing company will sell the most chicken parms. right now Apple sells the best chicken parms, whether you prefer someone elses or not.

DRiccio21 wrote:

trendon wrote:

DRiccio21 wrote: you have to seperate your hatred for a product and realize how incredible the company has been.

I have and, currently, their contributions to the tech sector have now gone into the red. They are a fucking menace. The only hope we have is that courts continue to strike down their bullshit like they just did for Samsung. HTC is up next. They are a complete and total menace with their litigious ways, throttling of technology to fit their little iCult/iCommune, and their tech-like BMW tax for owning their products.

this has happened for centuries. a new restaurant opens down the street and you have leverage, you crush them and force them to go out of business. they might have been able to make a better chicken parm than you in the long run, but that doesn't matter if you can still sell your chicken parm more than they can.

if their chicken parm is materially better, it'll sell regardless. they'll figure out how to get things to work. if it's not materially better than people will stay at your restaurant.

if you then open up 10 more restaurants off the success of your chicken parm and employ hundreds of more people than you are doing well and its a net positive for the community. if then you can sell the marinara and cheese that you use on your chicken parm seperately and create new revenue streams you are executing even better. if then a couple copy cats come along and build their own chicken parm similar to you than you are eventually going to get into a war of quality. the better executing company will sell the most chicken parms. right now Apple sells the best chicken parms, whether you prefer someone elses or not.

Nice metaphor!