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Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:33 pm
by The_Niddler
sixpackdan101 wrote:
The_Niddler wrote:I agree with most of what Dak stated.

However, companies like Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo do not make money the way they currently make a gaming system.
Most companies sell their systems at a loss or very, very little profit if any.

They make money on the accessories mostly and a little profit on games.
I would say most of their profit comes from software....not accessories.
Accessories:
Actually, I know from working at BestBuy and GameStop, it doesn't take Sony much to make accessories.
PS3 controllers probably cost them $5 to $8 to make each one.
retail stores probably get charged about $40 for them and charge $55 to $60.

I know at Best Buy, some of the discounts on accessories was just stupid.
You would only get like $10 off a computer or printer, but then you would get a $25 printer cable for $1.21.



Online:
A huge money maker for them too is charging for online play like PS+.
That is basically pure profit.

According to ISH Electronics and Media, the move will make Sony as much as $1.2 billion (£770 million) a year by 2017 and bring the Japanese electronics maker in-line with Microsoft with its revenue channels.
“Sony has already taken a major step towards a more profitable and competitive PlayStation business with a single but significant commercial decision to place online multiplayer gaming behind the PlayStation Plus subscription paywall,” IHS’ Piers Harding-Rolls said while speaking with MCV.


Games:
Sony and Microsoft make approximately, $10 per game on average.
You have to remember the cost, licensing, etc. that goes into making a game.
Obviously games made by Sony or Microsoft themselves turn bigger profits than 3rd party games.


Consoles:
Here is an article explaining some of it and some info from it posted below the link:
http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-36 ... im-future/

“Consoles like Xboxes, PlayStations & the Wii U are sold at a loss”, said Cousins. “It costs more to manufacture and distribute the device than it is sold for. Console manufacturers do this because they hope to make back the money from the license fee they charge for every game sold on the system.

“In order to offset the huge cost of hardware production, distribution, R&D and marketing, a hardware platform holder must sell vast quantities of hardware, and even bigger quantities of software. So much needs to be sold, in fact, that the data points to PS3 and Xbox 360 having made huge losses, despite having sold 70+ million units of hardware each.

“Of those 70 million Xbox 360s sold, a large proportion (approx. 40%) were bought after the most recent price cut of August 2009. Of the 70 million PS3s sold, a large proportion (approx. 42%) were bought since the introduction of the PS3 Slim.”

With such a large proportion of consoles being sold post-price cut, it seems as if the loss-leading strategy is failing to bear fruit for both companies. The issue isn’t being helped by some 50% of home console owners also owning a smartphone, tablet or both, devices which are seeing a rapidly advancing capacity for supporting triple-a game content.

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:27 pm
by Shiftdnb
I'm getting it as well.

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:06 pm
by Dolemitesooner
Dak quit telling everyone how smart you are and get your internet hooked up so we can play football. :lol: :P

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:54 pm
by dakshdar
Dolemitesooner wrote:Dak quit telling everyone how smart you are and get your internet hooked up so we can play football. :lol: :P
I just got it hooked up right tonight. My problem was the router being in the back of the house (choice is front or back as only three rooms are wired for cable) so wireless was awful in the front, constantly dropping out.

I bought a second, used Actiontec router on eBay ($1 plus $10 shipping) and set it up as a MOCA bridge with the wireless access point active and the SSID set to the same as the other router in the house (same password as well) but a different channel.

Now my various online gadgets (phones, tablets, laptops) will stay connected to the network and use whichever channel signal is strongest, and my PS3 is right next to the second router, so it is flying as well. I just have to test whether it is better wired or wireless (though it is going super fast through a PSN stores download wirelessly right now).

I'll be hitting up all the guys starting this weekend...because I'm out for ten days starting next Thursday for wedding/honeymoon (if we book a honeymoon that is, will be searching last minute deals this weekend).

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:47 am
by The_Niddler
dakshdar wrote:
Dolemitesooner wrote:Dak quit telling everyone how smart you are and get your internet hooked up so we can play football. :lol: :P
I just got it hooked up right tonight.

I'll be hitting up all the guys starting this weekend...because I'm out for ten days starting next Thursday for wedding/honeymoon (if we book a honeymoon that is, will be searching last minute deals this weekend).

That is all you had to say.
We really didn't need the details. :D

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:52 am
by dakshdar
The_Niddler wrote:
dakshdar wrote:
Dolemitesooner wrote:Dak quit telling everyone how smart you are and get your internet hooked up so we can play football. :lol: :P
I just got it hooked up right tonight.

I'll be hitting up all the guys starting this weekend...because I'm out for ten days starting next Thursday for wedding/honeymoon (if we book a honeymoon that is, will be searching last minute deals this weekend).

That is all you had to say.
We really didn't need the details. :D
But a MOCA bridge with an active WAP is awesome!

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:56 am
by The_Niddler
dakshdar wrote:
The_Niddler wrote:
dakshdar wrote:
Dolemitesooner wrote:Dak quit telling everyone how smart you are and get your internet hooked up so we can play football. :lol: :P
I just got it hooked up right tonight.

I'll be hitting up all the guys starting this weekend...because I'm out for ten days starting next Thursday for wedding/honeymoon (if we book a honeymoon that is, will be searching last minute deals this weekend).

That is all you had to say.
We really didn't need the details. :D
But a MOCA bridge with an active WAP is awesome!
:lol: Just busting balls.

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:01 pm
by Dolemitesooner
I reserved my PS4 at Walmart today. Each store is only getting 30. I got there at 10am and 5 were spoken for.

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:06 pm
by fsupenguin
I don't know, I'm in the middle of having gone back to school. So unless I get it as a gift for Christmas or a birthday I don't have any way of purchasing one for about 2 years.

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:03 pm
by VTrunNgun
I'm in - will be looking to lock up a preorder soon.

Just read this article - super useful for gamers like myself: http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2013/08/2 ... s=og.likes

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:39 pm
by kdog36
most likely will buy though very well could be after the initial rush.

after christmas.

k

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:47 pm
by GeorgesGoons
I'll be buying one, not sure when

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:51 pm
by VTrunNgun
I'll post the quest here although I'm sure it's been answered already in 10 different ways but....

Where are there opportunities to still place Pre-Orders? either online or offline...

Running into the case now that everywhere I check they are sold out.

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:17 pm
by doc
Ill be getting mine in Feb or Mar no rush dont like buying systems on initial release.

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:47 pm
by 6ftdeep
VTrunNgun wrote:I'll post the quest here although I'm sure it's been answered already in 10 different ways but....

Where are there opportunities to still place Pre-Orders? either online or offline...

Running into the case now that everywhere I check they are sold out.
I would try local walmarts, targets, and best buys.. more than likely the ones in SF are out of pre orders..

So try in the East Bay, I have an extra one pre ordered for release day for those people who just cant wait for the 2nd shipment of the new console to make a nice profit on :D

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:11 am
by Downing11
Anyone getting the camera accessory?

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:18 am
by Cnasty
Downing11 wrote:Anyone getting the camera accessory?
I thought it comes with it?

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:25 am
by BIGmike
Cnasty wrote:
Downing11 wrote:Anyone getting the camera accessory?
I thought it comes with it?
That's XBOX.

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:23 pm
by VTrunNgun
6ftdeep wrote:
VTrunNgun wrote:I'll post the quest here although I'm sure it's been answered already in 10 different ways but....

Where are there opportunities to still place Pre-Orders? either online or offline...

Running into the case now that everywhere I check they are sold out.
I would try local walmarts, targets, and best buys.. more than likely the ones in SF are out of pre orders..

So try in the East Bay, I have an extra one pre ordered for release day for those people who just cant wait for the 2nd shipment of the new console to make a nice profit on :D
My Preorder is in!!

Called all around - all Targets and Walmarts from San Fran to San Jose are tapped out. I ended up reaching out to my family in Rancho Cordova as I knew of a Wal-Mart there, off of Folsolm. Turns out they are one of the underperforming Walmarts in the area...bingo!

It's about 2 hours from SF but gives me another reason to visit my family in November 8-)

Re: Who will be buying a PS4?

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:57 pm
by relio95
I'll have one by june of next year.