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I_S33M_THAB33T_U wrote:Ill use Parker as a example.

wait, I thought you said you didn't think Parker was a HOF'er?

shel311 wrote:

Cnasty wrote:First ballot hall of famers:

Kevin Thomas
Steven Hays
Oliver Ladd
Jaime Cruz
Alex Rodriguez

Fringe:

Ramon Ruiz
Gustavo Alvarez
Wu
Paco Barron
Julio Burgos
Dave Huggins
Jesus Rivera
Tomas Washington

Is this based on career projections or their current stats?

If Oquinn has 3 or 4 more real good years he is a shoe in

i think his 1st ballot guys are in right now that he listed....

ill research some more tomorrow.

The first ballot guys are in now if voted on today.

The fringe guys need a little more seasoning if they average their current stats for 2-4 years more depending on the guy.

Im not even done doing Jaime Cruz's HOF Standard and it's 201.5 lol. hes beyond a lock.

Cruz's current HOF Standard is 283.5 lol .. comparable to.. inbetween Tony Gwynn and Mickey Mantle, just above Albert Pujols.

DRiccio21 wrote:

I_S33M_THAB33T_U wrote:Ill use Parker as a example.

wait, I thought you said you didn't think Parker was a HOF'er?

He doesn't think Parker is HOF. He was using him as an example comparing him to Sandberg, Alomar, and Morgan to prove he is not.

Parker is probably best compared to HOF'er Billy Herman, although Herman played in 30's and 40's.

Herman 1922 games, .304/.367/.407, 47hr 869 rbi, 1163runs, 2345 hits, 486doubles
Parker 1740 games, .327/.396/.415, 44hr, 771rbi, 1051runs, 2286hits, 426doubles

Parker also blows away some second basemen IMO. Johnny Evers, Jackie Robinson (although Robinson obviously is a different case), Mazeroski, Doerr & Gordon had good power numbers for middle infielders, but their average sucked compared to Parker's.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofst2b.shtml

Correct, Just what Bernie said. I just grabbed a few names from 2B. That most could atleast relate to. Parker is the closest to a HOF'er we might have atm, BUt I still wouldnt vote for him, Or any of them.

I like the names on Corey's list. There will be some HOF'ers off that for sure.

So basically Bernie puts all this work in, and all we are doing is voting to keep putting guys on the ballot? Thats a lot of work for nothing. If we are never going to vote any of these guys in, how bout we just stop voting and wait till our "Modern" players get there and then we can vote guys in, because at this rate we will never put anyone in till Cruz retires from the sound of it. Just seems like a lot of work for Bernie just to never put any players in.

I enjoy it. It's not a lot of work after the initial one was done. Everything is saved, just do the new guys and plug them in and touch up some things. And like I said in OP, I think we will get there. 22 of the 27 voters voted for somebody to get in.. it's just natural for the NDL to not agree on who. It will happen.

I_S33M_THAB33T_U wrote:Correct, Just what Bernie said. I just grabbed a few names from 2B. That most could atleast relate to. Parker is the closest to a HOF'er we might have atm, BUt I still wouldnt vote for him, Or any of them.

I like the names on Corey's list. There will be some HOF'ers off that for sure.

sorry about that, I got confused. so you don't think Joe Morgan, Ryne Sandberg and Roberto Alomar are hall of famers?

DRiccio21 wrote: sorry about that, I got confused. so you don't think Joe Morgan, Ryne Sandberg and Roberto Alomar are hall of famers?

meet joe morgan at work last week. he"s got a hall of fame stick up his ass attitude for sure.

vida blue was a nice guy and marshawn lynch as well. told marshawn hope he wins pro bowl mvp, because he wont be going to the superbowl. go niners

DRiccio21 wrote:

I_S33M_THAB33T_U wrote:Correct, Just what Bernie said. I just grabbed a few names from 2B. That most could atleast relate to. Parker is the closest to a HOF'er we might have atm, BUt I still wouldnt vote for him, Or any of them.

I like the names on Corey's list. There will be some HOF'ers off that for sure.

so you don't think Joe Morgan, Ryne Sandberg and Roberto Alomar are hall of famers?

Never said anything like this either. Im saying Parker isnt a HOF'er.

I_S33M_THAB33T_U wrote:

DRiccio21 wrote:

I_S33M_THAB33T_U wrote:Correct, Just what Bernie said. I just grabbed a few names from 2B. That most could atleast relate to. Parker is the closest to a HOF'er we might have atm, BUt I still wouldnt vote for him, Or any of them.

I like the names on Corey's list. There will be some HOF'ers off that for sure.

so you don't think Joe Morgan, Ryne Sandberg and Roberto Alomar are hall of famers?

Never said anything like this either. Im saying Parker isnt a HOF'er.

okay, sorry I got confused.

I thought you were comparing Parkers #'s to those 3 guys numbers.

i was Dave, But Parkers #'s arent close to those 3. That is what i was showing.

I_S33M_THAB33T_U wrote:i was Dave, But Parkers #'s arent close to those 3. That is what i was showing.

Well wait, his numbers are very close to Sandberg and Alomar based on that pic you provided. And that's just offensive, not sure if the defense would help or hurt his case.

oh I thought your point was that their numbers are identical.

nevermind me.

shel311 wrote:

I_S33M_THAB33T_U wrote:i was Dave, But Parkers #'s arent close to those 3. That is what i was showing.

Well wait, his numbers are very close to Sandberg and Alomar based on that pic you provided. And that's just offensive, not sure if the defense would help or hurt his case.

Well i will add this

maybe this will help


Parker - 2 Gold Gloves, 5 AS games went to 3 straight 17-19

Alomar - 10 Gold Gloves, won it from 91 - 02, Only 2nd was in 97. 12 straight AS games

Morgan - 5 gold gloves 73-77, 10 AS gmz 66,70, 72-79

Sandberg - 9 gold gloves 83 -91, 10 AS gmz, 84-93




Deff i think parker isnt even close to these 3, And it shows, in AS gmz also.

We'll all star games are irrelevant Imo and you can't do gold gloves becausewwe've proved that our game is completelyflawed iin the way it picks those winners.