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shel311 wrote:Oligarchy, NDL very likely getting shut down...LOL

Scale of 1-10 with "1" being least possible and "10" being most possible.

What he said is a six.

shel311 wrote:Oligarchy, NDL very likely getting shut down...LOL

is he one of those guys that broke the 35pt rule?

no, dude... nothing has changed.

you're just older now, you're an adult. you realize this stuff effects you so suddenly the 'not in my backyard' stuff comes out. you think the world just changed in the last 20 years, thats nonsense. information and transparency are at all time highs. more people know what goes on in Washington than at anytime in the history of our country. the amount of information available at the click of a button is borderline incomprehensible. so, sure, there are certain things that come out now that maybe we weren't aware of 50 years ago... but the corruption, the greed, the selfishness has always existed. the thing that holds it all together is democracy, capitalism and the ability for people to be kicked out of power positions. as long as those things stay in place, we'll be fine... we might now always make the right decisions, but things will be worked out.

we are so far advanced than we were 25 years ago... by listening to you and the rest of the doom and gloomers out there you'd think our country was in 3rd world territory now. we're in a secular bear market... market cycles happen, they don't change. all the other stuff and the 'reasons' are noise. we are coming off 2 huge bubbles (tech and housing) that takes time to adjust from. the bear market started in 2000 and generally cycles take about 12-15 years to work themselves out. all these 'problems' will miraculously go away when our economy goes on its next bull cycle and people will be back to talking about how great we are, blah blah blah. human nature and human behavior doesn't change. sure, some decisions by people in authority can speed things up and make things better or worse, but over the long haul (assuming we keep democracy in place) we're going to be just fine.

trendon wrote:

shel311 wrote:Oligarchy, NDL very likely getting shut down...LOL

Scale of 1-10 with "1" being least possible and "10" being most possible.

What he said is a six.

6 outta 10 that the government gets wind of this little league we have going, has some sort of boardroom meeting about the NDL, and decides that they have to shut down the NDL, government mandate?

i feel like I'm being US Senator'ed right now.

DRiccio21 wrote: by listening to you and the rest of the doom and gloomers out there you'd think our country was in 3rd world territory now

We're almost there!!!

DRiccio21 wrote: all these 'problems' will miraculously go away when our economy goes on its next bull cycle and people will be back to talking about how great we are

It'll never be good again!!!

shel311 wrote:Oligarchy

Do you even know what an oligarchy is?

For you to laugh at that is a joke in itself.

DRiccio21 wrote:no, dude... nothing has changed.

you're just older now, you're an adult. you realize this stuff effects you so suddenly the 'not in my backyard' stuff comes out. you think the world just changed in the last 20 years, thats nonsense. information and transparency are at all time highs. more people know what goes on in Washington than at anytime in the history of our country. the amount of information available at the click of a button is borderline incomprehensible. so, sure, there are certain things that come out now that maybe we weren't aware of 50 years ago... but the corruption, the greed, the selfishness has always existed. the thing that holds it all together is democracy, capitalism and the ability for people to be kicked out of power positions. as long as those things stay in place, we'll be fine... we might now always make the right decisions, but things will be worked out.

we are so far advanced than we were 25 years ago... by listening to you and the rest of the doom and gloomers out there you'd think our country was in 3rd world territory now. we're in a secular bear market... market cycles happen, they don't change. all the other stuff and the 'reasons' are noise. we are coming off 2 huge bubbles (tech and housing) that takes time to adjust from. the bear market started in 2000 and generally cycles take about 12-15 years to work themselves out. all these 'problems' will miraculously go away when our economy goes on its next bull cycle and people will be back to talking about how great we are, blah blah blah. human nature and human behavior doesn't change. sure, some decisions by people in authority can speed things up and make things better or worse, but over the long haul (assuming we keep democracy in place) we're going to be just fine.

I am sure I don't disagree with you, but why is this post heavily slanted towards finance? This discussion is about censorship and expansion of federal powers

jsence2 wrote:

shel311 wrote:Oligarchy

Do you even know what an oligarchy is?

For you to laugh at that is a joke in itself.

Yes, and we are in no way, shape, or form an oligarchy.

Stop, this is getting ridiculous.

If they dislike Sony they should just hack the Sony email server, the Sony 401k fund, and then make all their computers come to life and chase them around the office. That might get Sony to change their mind. Fucking with the PSN just gives incentive for Sony to institute more security on the network and then justify a yearly subscription fee. Thanks anonymous!

trendon wrote: I am sure I don't disagree with you, but why is this post heavily slanted towards finance? This discussion is about censorship and expansion of federal powers

because as you know... everything comes from 'follow the money'

the economy sucks and people 'demand change'... same as its always been.

all these protests, all this upheavel is because we are in a bear market and a shitty economy. it also allows washington/terrorists to get away with things they normally can't because fear is at high levels. people need change and they are more willing to let things pass in washington during crazy times than they are during good times. its one of the reasons people say Obama is so dangerous, because he is trying to pass things based on the panic that would never be passed in good times. when the economy is good, people are too worried about creating wealth or seeing others create wealth that all that other stuff is laughed at when people complain. when things suck, its alot easier to see unemployed people and say 'something needs to be done!!!'.


all this stuff

Le sigh. Fat cats with a mortgage, a Saab, 2.2 kids, and a dog = America's worst enemy.

Who run Bartertown?

Occupy NDL!!!

DRiccio21 wrote:

trendon wrote: I am sure I don't disagree with you, but why is this post heavily slanted towards finance? This discussion is about censorship and expansion of federal powers

because as you know... everything comes from 'follow the money'

True.

This SOPA has absolutely nothing to do with piracy, but fixing a broken business model. I'm sorry if I am going to get angry about that.

I hope no one in the NDL likes downloading music

The bill would make unauthorized streaming of copyrighted content a crime, with a maximum penalty of five years in prison for 10 pieces of music or movies within six months.

Opponents of the bill include Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter, DynDNS, AOL, LinkedIn, eBay, Mozilla Corporation, the Wikimedia Foundation,[83] and human rights organizations such as Reporters Without Borders,[84] the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU, and Human Rights Watch.[85][86]

haha listen to Dave Riccio, the know it all, meanwhile almost every MAJOR website we use is against it.

OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES

nick wrote:I hope no one in the NDL likes downloading music

The bill would make unauthorized streaming of copyrighted content a crime, with a maximum penalty of five years in prison for 10 pieces of music or movies within six months.

I don't. So that's cool by me

nick wrote: Opponents of the bill include Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter, DynDNS, AOL, LinkedIn, eBay, Mozilla Corporation, the Wikimedia Foundation,[83] and human rights organizations such as Reporters Without Borders,[84] the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU, and Human Rights Watch.[85][86]

They are all crazy people. Nobody in the NDL uses those websites or sees any positives in them. You, me, Jay, Google, and Yahoo! are negative people.

remember everyone, this is fine, because Dave and the stars of the NDL said so. Meanwhile, every major successful internet company is against it.

nick wrote:I hope no one in the NDL likes downloading music

My wife loves downloading music. I know because I pay the bill every month. Unlike you, I dont mind paying for the products and ideas made by others. I am not ignorant enough to think that just because it exists, it belongs to me.

I better fill up the wambulance with gas, because I have a feeling it'll make an appearance. I'm already seeing hints of whining around here.

shel311 wrote:

jsence2 wrote:

shel311 wrote:Oligarchy

Do you even know what an oligarchy is?

For you to laugh at that is a joke in itself.

Yes, and we are in no way, shape, or form an oligarchy.

Stop, this is getting ridiculous.

No, it's not. Like I said, maybe you should actually do some research before you talk about this. Go read some stuff instead of taking your info from the media and other people. Stop relying on Shel Notes for things like this.

1: government by the few
2: a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes; also : a group exercising such control