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Cnasty wrote:Chicken or the egg?

I dont think Edelman does anything if he goes somewhere else without Tom and the system ala Welker.

I'd compare Edelman more to Hines Ward

the guy's pretty tough

Go to school you little punk!!!


And get off my lawn!!

Looks like Sarkisian is leaving Bama for the Falcons O-Coordinator position.

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shel311 wrote:Looks like Sarkisian is leaving Bama for the Falcons O-Coordinator position.

Never liked the booger eater


Good for him. Great step up. Can't fault him.

Scoring Defense rankings for Patriots defenses during Brady's Super Bowl winning seasons:

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shel311 wrote:Scoring Defense rankings for Patriots defenses during Brady's Super Bowl winning seasons:

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I'd say a world class offense and great defensive minded HC helps defensive rankings

Probably not as much as you'd think. Drew Brees has had a world class offense the last 10 years, his average defensive ranking is 22(Brady 6th).

Brady is better than Brees, that's not my argument. It's just to laugh at those who put so much emphasis on THE RINGS!!!

Brees had the chance to potentially play with a team having a top defense but elected to sign new deals with NO what, twice now?

DRWebs wrote:Brees had the chance to potentially play with a team having a top defense but elected to sign new deals with NO what, twice now?

Brady made similar money to Brees while also playing with top defenses...

shel311 wrote:Probably not as much as you'd think. Drew Brees has had a world class offense the last 10 years, his average defensive ranking is 22(Brady 6th).

Brady is better than Brees, that's not my argument. It's just to laugh at those who put so much emphasis on THE RINGS!!!

fair point

shel311 wrote:Probably not as much as you'd think. Drew Brees has had a world class offense the last 10 years, his average defensive ranking is 22(Brady 6th).

using the corey eye test theorem i've always been of the belief the dink and dunk style of the Pats keeps the D off the field and helps their overall data. The Pats put up the points but it is more of a grind on them until they break and start fucking up type game rather than the Saints who seem to get huge chunks of the field and throw for huge yards from beginning to end (and the Saints also get alot of their points really late in games from my experience watching and don't have overall game advantage). i think that really helps the defense, especially early in the game before the other teams get into 'come back' mode. then when it is comeback time, the Pats defense can sit back and play pass and send rushers.

obviously the Saints defense is trash and the Pats is far better, but i definitely think there is alot of defensive credit that should be placed on the offense and then the overall nature of the coaching philosophy.

thats a lot more opinion then i'm typically comfortable giving without data (i'm not even sure how to back it up with data). but i think football is a much more 'eye test' type sport than some of the others we watch based on the amount of moving parts.

I unsurprisingly agree.

DRiccio21 wrote:

shel311 wrote:Probably not as much as you'd think. Drew Brees has had a world class offense the last 10 years, his average defensive ranking is 22(Brady 6th).

using the corey eye test theorem i've always been of the belief the dink and dunk style of the Pats keeps the D off the field and helps their overall data. The Pats put up the points but it is more of a grind on them until they break and start fucking up type game rather than the Saints who seem to get huge chunks of the field and throw for huge yards from beginning to end (and the Saints also get alot of their points really late in games from my experience watching and don't have overall game advantage). i think that really helps the defense, especially early in the game before the other teams get into 'come back' mode. then when it is comeback time, the Pats defense can sit back and play pass and send rushers.

obviously the Saints defense is trash and the Pats is far better, but i definitely think there is alot of defensive credit that should be placed on the offense and then the overall nature of the coaching philosophy.

thats a lot more opinion then i'm typically comfortable giving without data (i'm not even sure how to back it up with data). but i think football is a much more 'eye test' type sport than some of the others we watch based on the amount of moving parts.

Agreed. Pats rarely have any self inflicted wounds. Turnovers are rare. Just controlling the ball as long as they do eventually wears out other teams defenses and helps rest their own. Look at the super bowl. They uncharacteistically fumbled heading in for 6. Brady threw a pick 6 which I cannot remember seeing in quite some time. That's a 21 point swing they rarely if ever give up. Once the mistakes stopped, the grind began again in earnest.

Everything Belichek does has a purpose, and the defense can just as much be a product of the offense as it can be the other way around. Chicken or egg type of thing.

This season, 53% of Brees's yards come through the air, 50% for Brady.

I don't think that will go very far in explaining the difference between the #1 defense and a bottom 5 defense.


https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stat ... ards/2016/



Last year it was less than 1%...they're both dink and dunkers.

shel311 wrote:This season, 53% of Brees's yards come through the air, 50% for Brady.

I don't think that will go very far in explaining the difference between the #1 defense and a bottom 5 defense.


https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stat ... ards/2016/



Last year it was less than 1%...they're both dink and dunkers.

Pats seem to grind the clock more and turn it over less which brees does a lot giving the other team better fields position

My 2nd favorite QB!!

ajalves wrote:Pats seem to grind the clock more and turn it over less which brees does a lot giving the other team better fields position

These are both things you do when you have a good defense that you can't really do as much when you don't.

For all of the "Brees puts up stats when he's trailing" talk Dave said, which I'm sure has truth to it, Brees is also forced to be more aggressive in making more plays and likely also turns it over more in the 2nd half when trailing, something Brady doesn't have to worry about as much, because of the HUGE gulf in defenses.

Don't you think if Brees played behind so many league leading scoring defenses, you'd see the Saints shift to be a tad more conservative, and try to grind the clock a bit more, or simply put, be a bit more like NE does with their D behind them? I'd imagine so, don't see why they wouldn't.

Brees has played with literally the 2 worst pass defenses in the history of the NFL in just the last 4-5 seasons. I don't think it's that tough to just call a spade a spade, the Saints defense is historically bad, the Pats are consistently top 3-5.

shel311 wrote:the Saints defense is historically bad, the Pats are consistently top 3-5.

I don't think anyone is arguing these two facts, I just think their respective offenses contribute to those facts to varying degrees