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shel311 wrote:I'm sure the stories and rumor mill is running wild, but new reports show that Smith earlier had a slight crash with the shooter, and Smith fled from the scene, hit and run.

Then the shooter followed him, and I guess they stopped at an interesection/red light where the shooting eventually took place. Also witnesses stating Smith first announced he had a gun and was possibly reaching for it when the shooter fired.


My 1st statement seems to be so as of now, but obviously the 2nd one is just probably total speculation/rumor at this point.

shel311 wrote:Maybe he hadn't gotten to it yet, but this seems to be all eyewitness type accounts on that specific part, so I'd get why that hasn't been released yet.

shel311 wrote:Coulda been under the seat, in the glove compartment. He could have been reaching for it, but didn't get to it.

This is one of those stories that likely goes down with us never having any idea what really happened in those final moments.

Seeitsaveit13 wrote:

shel311 wrote:Coulda been under the seat, in the glove compartment. He could have been reaching for it, but didn't get to it.

This is one of those stories that likely goes down with us never having any idea what really happened in those final moments.

I'm completely with you on all of that. However, if he had a gun, they'd find it. They don't just look at it and go "oh, well he got shot, no need to look any further." If he had one, they'd find it.

Maybe they have though, and just haven't released it like you said

Seeitsaveit13 wrote:

Seeitsaveit13 wrote:

shel311 wrote:Coulda been under the seat, in the glove compartment. He could have been reaching for it, but didn't get to it.

This is one of those stories that likely goes down with us never having any idea what really happened in those final moments.

I'm completely with you on all of that. However, if he had a gun, they'd find it. They don't just look at it and go "oh, well he got shot, no need to look any further." If he had one, they'd find it.

Maybe they have though, and just haven't released it like you said

And they just found it. Fully loaded hand gun found in his vehicle. Plot thickens

shel311 wrote:So many scenarios in play. Was he getting his gun because the guy was walking towards him with a gun?

The shooter has a tough case to sell on self defense, it vaguely resembles the George Zimmerman situation, in a way.

Manziel was passenger in alleged hit and run incident

As it turns out, a false tale of living with Von Miller may not be the weirdest thing about Johnny Manziel’s most recent Saturday night.

Via TMZ, Manziel was the passenger later that night in an alleged hit and run.

Specifically, Manziel was riding in a vehicle that hit a light pole. He and the driver, Ryan Silverstein (a/k/a OVO Ryan, whatever that means) fled the scene on foot.

And, of course, they were picked up by suspended Browns receiver Josh Gordon.

Manziel and Silverstein later returned to the scene, and Manziel was interviewed by police. He has not been accused of any criminal wrongdoing.

Still, Manziel’s involvement in yet another bizarre incident will do nothing to persuade a team to give him another chance.

DRiccio21 wrote:that lawyer seems awesome too.

Cnasty wrote:The Josh Gordon pick up is the best part

Manziel was passenger in alleged hit and run incident

As it turns out, a false tale of living with Von Miller may not be the weirdest thing about Johnny Manziel’s most recent Saturday night.

Via TMZ, Manziel was the passenger later that night in an alleged hit and run.

Specifically, Manziel was riding in a vehicle that hit a light pole. He and the driver, Ryan Silverstein (a/k/a OVO Ryan, whatever that means) fled the scene on foot.

And, of course, they were picked up by suspended Browns receiver Josh Gordon.

Manziel and Silverstein later returned to the scene, and Manziel was interviewed by police. He has not been accused of any criminal wrongdoing.

Still, Manziel’s involvement in yet another bizarre incident will do nothing to persuade a team to give him another chance.