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Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:45 pm
by Seeitsaveit13
DRWebs wrote:The Astros and Phillies are in agreement on a trade that will send right-hander Vincent Velasquez, lefty Brett Oberholtzer and another prospect to Philadelphia in exchange for young closer Ken Giles
Reliever for two young starting pitchers and one more prospect. I personally am a huge fan of Velasquez so obviously happy with the deal. Plus the fact closers can be very volatile assets
Kinda kills the yanks deal for Velazquez with Andrew Miller. Damn
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:47 pm
by DRWebs
Seeitsaveit13 wrote:DRWebs wrote:The Astros and Phillies are in agreement on a trade that will send right-hander Vincent Velasquez, lefty Brett Oberholtzer and another prospect to Philadelphia in exchange for young closer Ken Giles
Reliever for two young starting pitchers and one more prospect. I personally am a huge fan of Velasquez so obviously happy with the deal. Plus the fact closers can be very volatile assets
Kinda kills the yanks deal for Velazquez with Andrew Miller. Damn
I'm kind of confused seeing them so apt to trade Miller... Is it just a value will never be higher kind of thing?
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:34 pm
by Seeitsaveit13
DRWebs wrote:Seeitsaveit13 wrote:DRWebs wrote:The Astros and Phillies are in agreement on a trade that will send right-hander Vincent Velasquez, lefty Brett Oberholtzer and another prospect to Philadelphia in exchange for young closer Ken Giles
Reliever for two young starting pitchers and one more prospect. I personally am a huge fan of Velasquez so obviously happy with the deal. Plus the fact closers can be very volatile assets
Kinda kills the yanks deal for Velazquez with Andrew Miller. Damn
I'm kind of confused seeing them so apt to trade Miller... Is it just a value will never be higher kind of thing?
That's what it seems like.
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:56 pm
by DRWebs
Cubs to sign Heyward, most think Soler will be moved
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:53 pm
by Cnasty
$184mil for Hayward?!?!
My goodness.
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:59 pm
by DRWebs
Cnasty wrote:$184mil for Hayward?!?!
My goodness.
He's still only 26 and the games evolving and placing more importance on defense where he is a class of his own
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:59 pm
by dakshdar
If they get one more starting pitcher you won't be able to make any money betting them for the world series next year.
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:02 pm
by Cnasty
That's starting pitcher type money is all I am saying. Seems like a lot but in this day and age of baseball finance it's probably just an average contract.
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:04 pm
by DRWebs
Cnasty wrote:That's starting pitcher type money is all I am saying. Seems like a lot but in this day and age of baseball finance it's probably just an average contract.
Well he reportedly passed on a 200M deal and he plays 150+ games a year versus pitching 30
But I do agree at first glance these amounts seem astronomical but like you said it's pretty reasonable (used lightly) considering the increased revenue namely massive TV deals
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:15 pm
by dakshdar
Heyward is now making Goldschmidt money.
2015 WAR numbers
Heyward - 1.96 defensive, 3.89 offensive, 6.54 seasonal
Goldschmidt - 0.9 defensive, 6.81 offensive, 8.79 seasonal
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:32 pm
by DRWebs
dakshdar wrote:Heyward is now making Goldschmidt money.
2015 WAR numbers
Heyward - 1.96 defensive, 3.89 offensive, 6.54 seasonal
Goldschmidt - 0.9 defensive, 6.81 offensive, 8.79 seasonal
Thoroughly confused by your comparison. Goldschmidt signed a team friendly deal and by all accounts is playing at a level much higher than his salary will be. Only one of these players hit free agency. You compared a outfielder capable of handling all three positions to a first baseman who will only ever be that and possibly DH
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:43 pm
by ReignOnU
162 game averages:
19 hr, 68 rbi, .268 avg. .784 ops
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:45 pm
by DRWebs
ReignOnU wrote:162 game averages:
19 hr, 68 rbi, .268 avg. .784 ops
And look at Andrelton Simmons offensive numbers. I'm not saying he's better than Goldschmidt or a lot of other players, I'm just saying he got exactly what was expected in the open market
And that's hitting primarily leadoff or second in the order so he could easily be a 80 RBI guy with growth in power as each spot in the lineup has different goals
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:59 pm
by ReignOnU
He had a great 2014, pretty good 2012... but he's not even in the conversation with guys like Simmons defensively. His offensive numbers are worse than AJ Pollacks and on par with guys like Kyle Seager, Kole Calhoun and JD Martinez. This contract was more about hype/name than substance.
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:12 pm
by DRWebs
Not in the same conversation with "guys like" (please name the others
) Simmons huh?
Defensive metrics are, of course, imperfect, but it’s still notable that since debuting in 2010, Heywardleads all Major Leaguers, at any position, with 119 Defensive Runs Saved. He’s also the runaway leader in cumulative Ultimate Zone Rating in that time (+94.4), and his prorated UZR/150 of +18.4 trails only Juan Lagares and Andrelton Simmons among qualified fielders. Those rankings hold weight even when shortening the sample size to the past three years, as each metric agrees that Heyward is the best defensive player in the game aside from his former Atlanta teammate, Simmons.
Guys get paid based on their futures unfortunately, just look at Smardizja, and while good comps none of those players you listed were free agents at 26. Chris Davis had 7/150 in hand, I'm just not seeing why people disagree with market value here. Sure he's not quite a 23M player but look at his competition this year
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:01 pm
by nick
he had a 6 WAR. this is a great deal. He also has 2 opt outs in it so he can get paid again at 29 or 31.
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:36 pm
by DRWebs
Phillies to receive former no. 1 overall pick Mark Appel instead of OF Derek Fisher to complete Ken Giles trade... Impossible not to like this from a Phillies perspective
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:37 pm
by nick
cept Mark Appel is a class A bum
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:49 pm
by DRWebs
nick wrote:cept Mark Appel is a class A bum
Just an empty statement, based upon what?
He's held his own in AA an AAA so far and is what, 24 years old? Struggled with some velocity on occasion but went from being drafted 8th overall to the 1st overall pick and then did nothing to say he can't be a #2 or 3 in the majors.
We're talking about a relief pitcher here for a potential 2 (Appel), 3 (Velasquez), and 4 (Oberholtzer) starters and then one other younger pitcher
Re: 2015 MLB Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:22 pm
by nick
Buster OlneyVerified account @Buster_ESPN 6h6 hours ago
It was smart of the Astros to move Mark Appel. The scrutiny around him was only going to grow;better to turn the page and use the asset now.
Evan DrellichVerified account @EvanDrellich 9h9 hours ago
Luhnow says he does not look at picking Mark Appel as a mistake. Was the right pick for the team at the time, he said.