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I do not think its undebatable. You have Jordan clearly 1. Then I think you could argue

Lebron
Kobe
Duncan
Olajuwon
Shaq

Not far behind

Kidd
Pippen
Wade
KG
Malone

Before anyone goes crazy I do not include guys before my time just because I have not seen them play.

LeBron #2 is as inarguable as MJ #1.


You can argue Kobe over LeBron?

Good talks!!! !

I would take Lebron over Kobe but you could argue for Kobe and I am sure some people would. For me Duncan is #2 on the list.

You can argue Kobe over LeBron like you can argue DWade over LeBron, it's just a terrible argument that you can only make irrationally, not based on any actual data.

wdoupis wrote:I do not think its undebatable. You have Jordan clearly 1. Then I think you could argue

Lebron
Kobe
Duncan
Olajuwon
Shaq

Not far behind

Kidd
Pippen
Wade
KG
Malone

Before anyone goes crazy I do not include guys before my time just because I have not seen them play.

There's this cool new website called YouTube. Anybody else messed around with it? I watched an episode of The Love Boat yesterday!

I feel like watching games from the 60s and 70s makes me appreciate those dudes even less. You can almost throw the 80s in there as well. You see guys try harder on defense in game 3 of the preseason than they did in the NBA Finals of some of those Lakers/Celtics matchups, it's really funny to watch.

Yeah, I mean I have seen the old greats play a lot on NBA tv and all that but you can't get the same out of watching a game or two as following guys careers like I have with the guys I listed. I loved Isiah Thomas and his game but I was like 10 when he retired. I am not even going to try with Larry, Magic, and Dr. J. I know they were great and thats good enough for me.

Chris Paul >Isaiah Thomas

My beloved Chrissy!!!

I love Chris Paul and but unless he tries to do a Gary Payton he is going down as one of the best to never win. That being said, I have financial implications that cause me to root against him this series so go Jazz!!!!!

and we are getting that NBA thread bump we asked for.... oh, my bad

wdoupis wrote:I do not think its undebatable. You have Jordan clearly 1. Then I think you could argue

Lebron
Kobe
Duncan
Olajuwon
Shaq

Not far behind

Kidd
Pippen
Wade
KG
Malone

Before anyone goes crazy I do not include guys before my time just because I have not seen them play.

I just saw your last line as I was going to say, wait a minute, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, maybe even Isiah Thomas and Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

I am so proud of egging this on as you guys are entertainment worthy. Thanks!

Cnasty wrote:I am so proud of egging this on as you guys are entertainment worthy. Thanks!

I appreciate it, as I thought I had it started last night, but didn't get it there.

Only problem is Billy has LeBron as "top 10" and I refuse to debate with anyone that unwilling to be rational. It was fun while it lasted for 2 hours!!!

Billy wins, Shel quits!!!

So I'm not on the up and up on basketball but understand that Lebron is probably one of the to 4-5 all time players.

But didn't the level of basketball greatly improve over the last 20 years or so? Like players from the 80s and earlier at least would just get absolutely crushed in today's game?

Cnasty wrote:Billy wins, Shel quits!!!

Print the shirts!!!

Uuaww wrote:So I'm not on the up and up on basketball but understand that Lebron is probably one of the top 4-5 2 all time players.

I got you man, I got you.

Uuaww wrote:But didn't the level of basketball greatly improve over the last 20 years or so? Like players from the 80s and earlier at least would just get absolutely crushed in today's game?

That's 35-40 years, and yes. Though that's basically the same for all the major sports over any 30-40 year timeframe IMO.

Uuaww wrote:So I'm not on the up and up on basketball but understand that Lebron is probably one of the to 4-5 all time players.

But didn't the level of basketball greatly improve over the last 20 years or so? Like players from the 80s and earlier at least would just get absolutely crushed in today's game?

You could argue that the level of play hasn't greatly improved, rather the style of play has "improved."

I am not a fan of the true iso plays, but can appreciate greatness when I see it. I was a huge fan of the Jazz and their pick and roll, hell you don't even see it that much anymore. Take that last statement with a grain of salt as I have only watched the playoffs this year.

The defense argument is moot as well. The physical play of the 80's early 90's does not exist today.

BTW, there will be a two part series on ESPN about the Lakers and Celtics June 13th

GeorgesGoons wrote:The defense argument is moot as well. The physical play of the 80's early 90's does not exist today.

Defense today is, by a conservative measure, about 4 trillion times better than in the 80s.

shel311 wrote:

GeorgesGoons wrote:The defense argument is moot as well. The physical play of the 80's early 90's does not exist today.

Defense today is, by a conservative measure, about 4 trillion times better than in the 80s.

I'll agree to disagree. I was a fan of the physical style of defense.