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pounddarock wrote:excellent post, ajalves

well said AJ.

VeniVediV1ci wrote:i'm starting to feel like trendon where i'm willing to play whatever comes up against me because if you can't stop it then you don't deserve to win. I do think if it's outlined in the rules there deserves to be points taken off, though.

...dinging people for too much zone is ridiculous on this game because drags or crosses against man coverage are impossible to stop. I also think there's a league-wide hatred for PA which keeps me from using it when i run more than most teams in this league. I've never been lower than 42nd in rushing and have been in the top 12 in 4 of the last 5 seasons, including a 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finish, but i'm feel awful every time i use PA and i can feel points being melted off my reports everytime i do it.

...i know this isn't going to change anyone's mind but i gotta get it off my chest because it sucks

know exactly where you're coming from. if you run a ton of zone, there's certain routes that beat it, and that's what the offense should be doing to you. if you run a ton of man, it's the same thing. variety on both sides of the ball is always an issue. guys get mad at people for running "the same play" when in reality it's similar routes from different plays based on what the defense is giving you.

this is why i base my reports on the rules. are they following the basic rules? are they playing the game they way it should be played? if you lob up a deep one on me and get it against one on one coverage, that's fine. are all of your passes lobs? that's the difference. if you hit me for a playaction pass, fine. are you running more playaction than you are runs? heck, one of the best plays to run is playaction on first down, but so many people are afraid to run it because of fear of coaching reports. however, as nole has said before, it is worth thinking about as you call plays. you don't want it to dictate your game, but you should consider it. if the game is no fun because you feel bogged down by what your opponent will think of you, that's a problem. loosen up. more than likely it will be fun. play your game with variety. that's all you can do.

btw, solid post, aj. comes up every season. i'd hate to play 12 games against the same exact style. it's much more fun to play varying styles. one game it's a blitzing team, the next it's a zone team. one game, it's a passing team, the next it's a running team, then a balanced team, etc. makes it fun. just don't get mad, for example, if you're a zone team and guys take deep shots on you or hit similar routes on you. it's called adjustment. run your zone, just don't run the same defense from the same formation every time it's 3rd and 7 or more.

yeah to each its own. If you run one type of defense all game, can you really criticze an offense that does the same? Go with what works for you but for me I will run a balanced defense of man more than zone but funny how some think I run more zone??? I know I have been more leniet since before. I maybe knocked two opponents and it wasn't even gameplay just did the same thing over and over again and I believe it was on defense. Not the type of defense just constant press. But you can't knock someone if someone runs zone all game and you rather throw in the flats to your RB than risk throwing into coverage. I am prone to alot of interceptions

A question for the league:

Let's say you're up at least two touchdowns with two minutes left in the game and you're around your opponent's 30-40 yard line. Would you run the ball, kill clock, then punt it at the 30 or 40, or would you try and move the chains and if not able to kill the entire clock, kick a field goal with about 30 seconds left to add to your already big lead?

walker213 wrote:A question for the league:

Let's say you're up at least two touchdowns with two minutes left in the game and you're around your opponent's 30-40 yard line. Would you run the ball, kill clock, then punt it at the 30 or 40, or would you try and move the chains and if not, kick a field goal with about 30 seconds left to add to your already big lead?

u have to explain the whole situation before u can get an answer..so many intangables..

is he using timeouts? has he given up?

25 seconds x 3 downs + 5 seconds inbetween plays = 90 seconds (1:30)...that leaves 30 seconds for them. i dont see why ud have to be trying to get a 1st

No timeouts being used I don't think, just running the ball killing clock, and getting stuffed. So on 4th down you punt or kick the field goal?

walker213 wrote:A question for the league:

Let's say you're up at least two touchdowns with two minutes left in the game and you're around your opponent's 30-40 yard line. Would you run the ball, kill clock, then punt it at the 30 or 40, or would you try and move the chains and if not able to kill the entire clock, kick a field goal with about 30 seconds left to add to your already big lead?

i'd run the ball and what happens, happens as far as first downs go. in that situation i may have my fullback running sweeps and such. if there's 30 seconds left, i'm punting it rather than tacking on the 3. no need for the score, but that's just me. i've been on both ends of the stick where guys have kicked it and some haven't. not against the rules, so it's not something that i would take into consideration on my coaching report, even if i didn't particularly like it.

I agree, VVV. I think when it comes to playaction, it's an issue that some people see as cheesy....but when you're trying to run the ball, and the other team is putting 7, 8, 9 in the box and playing with the safety and running up the moment you go to hand off, you cannot (in my mind) cry if I go play action, and hit a WR over the middle where your safety SHOULD have been until you brought him up....or a TE over the middle where your LB should have been.

I think it comes down to balance. If you're going to load the box and play hard against the run, then--just like in real life--you better be ready for a playfake. I think running playaction simply to sucker the CPU players is cheese; but if you're controlling that safety, and you're bringing him up, then it's no longer an AI issue; it's a HUMAN intelligence issue, and that is fair game, IMO.

I also have to agree on the zone thing....9/10 times, the HB is gonna outrun the LB covering him into the flat, and the WR is gonna get open on the drag route, and man coverage gets eaten up by that. If you start throwing those patterns a lot, and the other guy goes zone to counter it, then I think you have no room to complain--he isn't doing it to play cheap, he's doing it to counter the plays you're running. Isn't that what football, coaching, etc is all about???

vicktim7 wrote:

walker213 wrote:A question for the league:

Let's say you're up at least two touchdowns with two minutes left in the game and you're around your opponent's 30-40 yard line. Would you run the ball, kill clock, then punt it at the 30 or 40, or would you try and move the chains and if not able to kill the entire clock, kick a field goal with about 30 seconds left to add to your already big lead?

i'd run the ball and what happens, happens as far as first downs go. in that situation i may have my fullback running sweeps and such. if there's 30 seconds left, i'm punting it rather than tacking on the 3. no need for the score, but that's just me. i've been on both ends of the stick where guys have kicked it and some haven't. not against the rules, so it's not something that i would take into consideration on my coaching report, even if i didn't particularly like it.

Well to my knowledge, I thought people would be pissed giving up a late field goal like that with the game out of hand. So I ran the ball, punted, and received a 1 for coaching realism. Just thought I'd ask around to see what I should do next time.

walker213 wrote:

vicktim7 wrote:

walker213 wrote:A question for the league:

Let's say you're up at least two touchdowns with two minutes left in the game and you're around your opponent's 30-40 yard line. Would you run the ball, kill clock, then punt it at the 30 or 40, or would you try and move the chains and if not able to kill the entire clock, kick a field goal with about 30 seconds left to add to your already big lead?

i'd run the ball and what happens, happens as far as first downs go. in that situation i may have my fullback running sweeps and such. if there's 30 seconds left, i'm punting it rather than tacking on the 3. no need for the score, but that's just me. i've been on both ends of the stick where guys have kicked it and some haven't. not against the rules, so it's not something that i would take into consideration on my coaching report, even if i didn't particularly like it.

Well to my knowledge, I thought people would be pissed giving up a late field goal like that with the game out of hand. So I ran the ball, punted, and received a 1 for coaching realism. Just thought I'd ask around to see what I should do next time.

do you actually think it was for that? Cause realistically, most coaches would not add on points that late in the game. I think most coaches would just pound it inside and let the fb take a dive. Kneeling would be an option as well. I doubt someone would knock you for not running up the score.

walker213 wrote:

vicktim7 wrote:

walker213 wrote:A question for the league:

Let's say you're up at least two touchdowns with two minutes left in the game and you're around your opponent's 30-40 yard line. Would you run the ball, kill clock, then punt it at the 30 or 40, or would you try and move the chains and if not able to kill the entire clock, kick a field goal with about 30 seconds left to add to your already big lead?

i'd run the ball and what happens, happens as far as first downs go. in that situation i may have my fullback running sweeps and such. if there's 30 seconds left, i'm punting it rather than tacking on the 3. no need for the score, but that's just me. i've been on both ends of the stick where guys have kicked it and some haven't. not against the rules, so it's not something that i would take into consideration on my coaching report, even if i didn't particularly like it.

Well to my knowledge, I thought people would be pissed giving up a late field goal like that with the game out of hand. So I ran the ball, punted, and received a 1 for coaching realism. Just thought I'd ask around to see what I should do next time.

Sounds pretty extreme for just 1 play to get a 1 for it. But Ive seen and heard of 1 play summing up or being the focus of a whole coach report before so its totally possible.

i'm curious what the procedure with simmed games are.

If you get a sim, is that the lowest coach report score so it's dropped along with the highest? If so that's complete, utter bullshit because there's nothing you can do in that situation if it's truly not your fault. I'm curious if that's why i got such a low average this season because it's a significant problem if the lowest one now counts because of the sim.

anyone with knowledge on how that works?

walker213 wrote:No timeouts being used I don't think, just running the ball killing clock, and getting stuffed. So on 4th down you punt or kick the field goal?

i punt but thats me.

VVV,

You know I thought that was aksed before and I thought it was Mike (could be wrong) who said that the coach report for a simmed game is not included in your averages. So if you have a 12 game season and one game simmed and you drop the lowest and highest it should be averaged with the other 9 games I believe.

walker213 wrote:

vicktim7 wrote:

walker213 wrote:A question for the league:

Let's say you're up at least two touchdowns with two minutes left in the game and you're around your opponent's 30-40 yard line. Would you run the ball, kill clock, then punt it at the 30 or 40, or would you try and move the chains and if not able to kill the entire clock, kick a field goal with about 30 seconds left to add to your already big lead?

i'd run the ball and what happens, happens as far as first downs go. in that situation i may have my fullback running sweeps and such. if there's 30 seconds left, i'm punting it rather than tacking on the 3. no need for the score, but that's just me. i've been on both ends of the stick where guys have kicked it and some haven't. not against the rules, so it's not something that i would take into consideration on my coaching report, even if i didn't particularly like it.

Well to my knowledge, I thought people would be pissed giving up a late field goal like that with the game out of hand. So I ran the ball, punted, and received a 1 for coaching realism. Just thought I'd ask around to see what I should do next time.

Miss the field goal if your worried about running the score up.

ChampDizzle wrote:

walker213 wrote:

vicktim7 wrote:

walker213 wrote:A question for the league:

Let's say you're up at least two touchdowns with two minutes left in the game and you're around your opponent's 30-40 yard line. Would you run the ball, kill clock, then punt it at the 30 or 40, or would you try and move the chains and if not able to kill the entire clock, kick a field goal with about 30 seconds left to add to your already big lead?

i'd run the ball and what happens, happens as far as first downs go. in that situation i may have my fullback running sweeps and such. if there's 30 seconds left, i'm punting it rather than tacking on the 3. no need for the score, but that's just me. i've been on both ends of the stick where guys have kicked it and some haven't. not against the rules, so it's not something that i would take into consideration on my coaching report, even if i didn't particularly like it.

Well to my knowledge, I thought people would be pissed giving up a late field goal like that with the game out of hand. So I ran the ball, punted, and received a 1 for coaching realism. Just thought I'd ask around to see what I should do next time.

do you actually think it was for that? Cause realistically, most coaches would not add on points that late in the game. I think most coaches would just pound it inside and let the fb take a dive. Kneeling would be an option as well. I doubt someone would knock you for not running up the score.

It was the exact reason for getting a 1 in coaching realism. It said it word for word.

Crowes wrote:

walker213 wrote:

vicktim7 wrote:

walker213 wrote:A question for the league:

Let's say you're up at least two touchdowns with two minutes left in the game and you're around your opponent's 30-40 yard line. Would you run the ball, kill clock, then punt it at the 30 or 40, or would you try and move the chains and if not able to kill the entire clock, kick a field goal with about 30 seconds left to add to your already big lead?

i'd run the ball and what happens, happens as far as first downs go. in that situation i may have my fullback running sweeps and such. if there's 30 seconds left, i'm punting it rather than tacking on the 3. no need for the score, but that's just me. i've been on both ends of the stick where guys have kicked it and some haven't. not against the rules, so it's not something that i would take into consideration on my coaching report, even if i didn't particularly like it.

Well to my knowledge, I thought people would be pissed giving up a late field goal like that with the game out of hand. So I ran the ball, punted, and received a 1 for coaching realism. Just thought I'd ask around to see what I should do next time.

Miss the field goal if your worried about running the score up.

In my eyes, you're still attempting to run up the score though.

walker213 wrote:It was the exact reason for getting a 1 in coaching realism. It said it word for word.

Boo for that...

I think punting through the uprights would be the most fun I could have. Don't even give the illusion of running up the score. Give it back to them. If they know the game is over, they might even kneel down as well...worst case, they throw deep and score and you still win, and they leave happy

walker213 wrote:
It was the exact reason for getting a 1 in coaching realism. It said it word for word.

Try leaving AIM on if possible, if you dont use a router, try a headset.....

just thinking outloud.

ajalves wrote:

walker213 wrote:
It was the exact reason for getting a 1 in coaching realism. It said it word for word.

Try leaving AIM on if possible, if you dont use a router, try a headset.....

just thinking outloud.

or more to the point, run a play and let the clock wind down after, if he calls a TO, then you know to run more and try to get a 1st. if he lets it wind down as well, then kneel it out....