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Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 6:01 pm
by ReignOnU
My guess is that the the draft picks hit is a lifetime achievement punishment.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 6:03 pm
by Seeitsaveit13
ReignOnU wrote:Pats 3-1 while Brady is out... and he returns against... the Colts.
Probably the perfect amount of time to groom Garrappolo to be the heir apparent and just have another decade of dominance
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 6:05 pm
by DRiccio21
Garrapolo will still throw for 350 vs the Steelers.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 6:22 pm
by packsyd2284
Taking away the draft picks I just don't understand at all.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 6:27 pm
by shel311
packsyd2284 wrote:Taking away the draft picks I just don't understand at all.
Especially since, from what I understand, the Wells Report exonerrated the organization, put it all on Brady and the 2 equipment guys. And yet the NFL used something along the same line as "lack of institutional control", so I'm not sure what they based that on since their own report says otherwise, unless I'm wrong there.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 6:32 pm
by Seeitsaveit13
shel311 wrote:packsyd2284 wrote:Taking away the draft picks I just don't understand at all.
Especially since, from what I understand, the Wells Report exonerrated the organization, put it all on Brady and the 2 equipment guys. And yet the NFL used something along the same line as "lack of institutional control", so I'm not sure what they based that on since their own report says otherwise, unless I'm wrong there.
You still have 2 team employees actively breaking NFL rules. They had to punish the team.
That would be like not punishing the Falcons for the noise pumping thing and just fining and suspending the people involved, or just suspending Ray Farmer for texting to the sidelines and not punishing the Browns as a whole.
Even if the org didn't know about it, they're still responsible for their employees
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 6:34 pm
by Seeitsaveit13
packsyd2284 wrote:Taking away the draft picks I just don't understand at all.
I understand the picks, but the severity I"m guessing is somewhat based on their past reputation and since they appear to have publicly caught them this time, they're piling on from past issues.
It seems like they jumped on them because they "finally got them" if you will.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 6:57 pm
by jsence2
Yeah, I saw the Fowler thing while I was in the airport. That looked nasty. Not even an hour into his first minicamp. The guy blocking him was crushed, Fowler called him and was telling him not to worry about it. I like the kid.
Hopefully he can come back strong from the injury. I still like the draft, Daniel. Just....sucks.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 7:55 pm
by ReignOnU
DRiccio21 wrote:Garrapolo will still throw for 350 vs the Steelers.
O/U on total combined passing yards in this game... 700?
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 7:58 pm
by ReignOnU
ReignOnU wrote:DRiccio21 wrote:Garrapolo will still throw for 350 vs the Steelers.
O/U on total combined passing yards in this game... 700?
Just for insight on my comment... if you didn't know... Bell is out for the game and NE is expected to release Kyle Arrington, leaving Logan Ryan as their only CB with much experience. We're going to find out how good Belichik's system really is.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 9:13 pm
by shel311
Seeitsaveit13 wrote:It seems like they jumped on them because they "finally got them" if you will. that's what Goodell always does
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 10:09 pm
by Seeitsaveit13
shel311 wrote:Seeitsaveit13 wrote:It seems like they jumped on them because they "finally got them" if you will. that's what Goodell always does
And?
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 10:11 pm
by nick
i dont understand Shels side. Is he saying cheating's okay? Cause Indy gave the refs a heads up about this cheating before the game and NE still cheated and did it.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 10:22 pm
by shel311
1. Penalty is way too harsh.
2. The league exonerated the organization, or the Wells report did I should say, but the organization was still fined and had a draft pick taken away.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 10:39 pm
by Seeitsaveit13
Seeitsaveit13 wrote:shel311 wrote:packsyd2284 wrote:Taking away the draft picks I just don't understand at all.
Especially since, from what I understand, the Wells Report exonerrated the organization, put it all on Brady and the 2 equipment guys. And yet the NFL used something along the same line as "lack of institutional control", so I'm not sure what they based that on since their own report says otherwise, unless I'm wrong there.
You still have 2 team employees actively breaking NFL rules. They had to punish the team.
That would be like not punishing the Falcons for the noise pumping thing and just fining and suspending the people involved, or just suspending Ray Farmer for texting to the sidelines and not punishing the Browns as a whole.
Even if the org didn't know about it, they're still responsible for their employees
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 11:27 pm
by ReignOnU
I really don't know all of the facts here, but I believe this is what I heard today...
- The Pats "probably" cheated intentionally
- Tom Brady has some very sketchy text messages to the ballboy (read some of them)
- However, the ref admitted that there were 2 different pumps/needles that measured differently during pregame
- Ref could not confirm that he used the same needle for both measurements, but "believes that he probably" did
4 games, $1m and 2 draft picks is pretty steep for "probably."
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 12:06 am
by trendon
I still don't know what the Patriots did wrong. And, I am serious.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 12:28 am
by trendon
ReignOnU wrote:ReignOnU wrote:DRiccio21 wrote:Garrapolo will still throw for 350 vs the Steelers.
O/U on total combined passing yards in this game... 700?
Just for insight on my comment... if you didn't know... Bell is out for the game and NE is expected to release Kyle Arrington, leaving Logan Ryan as their only CB with much experience. We're going to find out how good Belichik's system really is.
Arrington is almost certainly going to be resigned.
And, not to be coy, but I don't think any of us need to wonder how Belichick's system is going to be.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 7:33 am
by Whittness10
trendon wrote:ReignOnU wrote:ReignOnU wrote:DRiccio21 wrote:Garrapolo will still throw for 350 vs the Steelers.
O/U on total combined passing yards in this game... 700?
Just for insight on my comment... if you didn't know... Bell is out for the game and NE is expected to release Kyle Arrington, leaving Logan Ryan as their only CB with much experience. We're going to find out how good Belichik's system really is.
Arrington is
almost certainly going to be resigned.
And, not to be coy, but I don't think any of us need to wonder how Belichick's system is going to be.
I think a "probably" would've worked here too.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 9:18 am
by Cnasty
We got our own Stannis the Mannis up in here.