Politics and stuff

[ReignOnU]

Supporters seem to be Feelin' the Bern.

[shel311]

Supporters seem to be Feelin' the Bern.

They all got duped out of their $27!!

You read/posted too fast, I deleted my post as I heard about it but couldn't find a link just yet, but it seems so.

[ReignOnU]

Supporters seem to be Feelin' the Bern.

They all got duped out of their $27!!

You read/posted too fast, I deleted my post as I heard about it but couldn't find a link just yet, but it seems so.

MSNBC has it, I'm sure.

[ReignOnU]

Not really official... but a tweet from Kyle Griffin who is an NBC producer...

Kyle Griffin
‏@kylegriffin1

NBC News has learned negotiations are underway to have Bernie Sanders officially nominate Hillary Clinton at the end of tonight's roll call.

[shel311]

There ya go, thanks. Now I can re-post the thought I deleted lol.

The leader of the political revolution, will actually officially nominate Hilary tonight.

He's turning out to be a giant fraud.

[ReignOnU]

Trump is going right after them. I'm interested to see how his Reddit AMA turns out on Wednesday night. He can be pretty unfiltered in situations like that.

Donald J. Trump Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

Bernie Sanders totally sold out to Crooked Hillary Clinton. All of that work, energy and money, and nothing to show for it! Waste of time.

Donald J. Trump Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

Sad to watch Bernie Sanders abandon his revolution. We welcome all voters who want to fix our rigged system and bring back our jobs.

[DRWebs]

This whole situation blows...two less than appealing candidates and then the one everyone thought was genuine and a breath of fresh air turns out to be no different than the rest . I want to be all in for Team Gary but just got Berned

[shel311]

I want to be all in for Team Gary

Welcome aboard Team Crazy Eyes!

[ReignOnU]

Can we just get a do-over?

[dakshdar]

Is it really Sanders being a fraud, or Sanders realizing that not getting his supporters over to Hillary's side dooms the country to a fate which is worse in his eyes? Isn't that the way things have to be looked at some times? The Sanders supporters that are unmoved by his support to Clinton, one would think that with their ideals/goals they'd wake up horrified and full of regret if Trump wins and they didn't support Clinton. It isn't as if the platforms Clinton and Sanders had disagreed on every potential major issue such that they would prefer Trump over Clinton, at least it shouldn't be the case in any logical sense of making the best of a situation they didn't want.

[Cnasty]

Is it really Sanders being a fraud, or Sanders realizing that not getting his supporters over to Hillary's side dooms the country to a fate which is worse in his eyes? Isn't that the way things have to be looked at some times? The Sanders supporters that are unmoved by his support to Clinton, one would think that with their ideals/goals they'd wake up horrified and full of regret if Trump wins and they didn't support Clinton. It isn't as if the platforms Clinton and Sanders had disagreed on every potential major issue such that they would prefer Trump over Clinton, at least it shouldn't be the case in any logical sense of making the best of a situation they didn't want.

Already tried this Dak.

[DRiccio21]

Isn't that the way things have to be looked at some times?

in normal circumstances, absolutely. hard fought battle, you lose, you tip your cap and congratulate and endorse the other and root for the party.

when you're promoting a 'movement' and a 'political revolution' to take down the rigged system, then you endorse said rig system, you're a sham. listen, i don't like what Bernie stands for policy wise, i really think his policies are wildly dangerous to our society as a whole, but i can separate my feelings for his policy for my feelings of him as a man. him stepping in line like this tells me he's a bit of a coward, regardless of his political views.

if you're a man of character and have conviction in a belief, you do the uncomfortable thing. Say what you want about Kasich, he stood by his beliefs and did a really hard thing in Ohio. He is getting exiled by some in the party for it, but i bet he'll be able to live with the consequences, no matter how bad it is for his political career. i think its pretty clear that Kasich has a strong moral backbone (at least what we get to see)

if Hillary gets elected, does nothing to change this broken system and continues to do all the things he campaigned against, will Bernie be able to look himself in the mirror?

[shel311]

Is it really Sanders being a fraud, or Sanders realizing that not getting his supporters over to Hillary's side dooms the country to a fate which is worse in his eyes? Isn't that the way things have to be looked at some times? The Sanders supporters that are unmoved by his support to Clinton, one would think that with their ideals/goals they'd wake up horrified and full of regret if Trump wins and they didn't support Clinton. It isn't as if the platforms Clinton and Sanders had disagreed on every potential major issue such that they would prefer Trump over Clinton, at least it shouldn't be the case in any logical sense of making the best of a situation they didn't want.

Already tried this Dak.

I mean, is he the leader of a political revolution or is he not?

[Cnasty]

when you're promoting a 'movement' and a 'political revolution' to take down the rigged system, then you endorse said rig system, you're a sham. listen, i don't like what Bernie stands for policy wise, i really think his policies are wildly dangerous to our society as a whole, but i can separate my feelings for his policy for my feelings of him as a man. him stepping in line like this tells me he's a bit of a coward, regardless of his political views.

if you're a man of character and have conviction in a belief, you do the uncomfortable thing.

You don't think he is doing "an uncomfortable thing" by showing support to Clinton knowing that she is the lesser of the 2 evils and knows if he does not step up and say anything he is basically supporting Trump?

Don't you think that he is using this as leverage for Clinton being there versus someone that will completely chastise and shut out his party in Trump and then still push his agenda in other ways from his political side winning the presidency?

I am a fan of him, absolutely. But I am also blown away by how one sided the views are and cut and dry, black and white people are making this out to be.

[shel311]

You don't think he is doing "an uncomfortable thing" by showing support to Clinton knowing that she is the lesser of the 2 evils and knows if he does not step up and say anything he is basically supporting Trump?

Don't you think that he is using this as leverage for Clinton being there versus someone that will completely chastise and shut out his party in Trump and then still push his agenda in other ways from his political side winning the presidency?

so he's playing the Democrats and Republicans political game.

What about the political revolution then?

Can't he run as an independent at this point? That's what a leader of a revolution would do. The last thing he'd do is support the person who rigged the system against him, the same system he sought to turn over and change.

[Cnasty]

so he's playing the Democrats and Republicans political game.
What about the political revolution then?

He can't do both? If you feel your best strategy is to compromise, play the game, slap a Dem. label on yourself knowing you will get better traction in your campaign and get a better chance at the overall goal you have...dont you do it?

While playing the game he didn't conform the corrupt money taking ways and other factors that other candidates do if that helps.

Can't he run as an independent at this point? That's what a leader of a revolution would do. The last thing he'd do is support the person who rigged the system against him, the same system he sought to turn over and change.

No and you know why he can't at this point. There is zero percent chance he will have any traction and create a very clear line for Trump to win. Seems like a terrible decision tactically to get to the end game you are looking for.

I get what you and Dave are saying but it is nowhere near as clear cut as you are making it out to be.

[shel311]

to get to the end game you are looking for.

fwiw, the option he chose has ended the game for him as well.

His run is over.

And I'd say, if he's truly the leader of a revolution, he'd run as an independent if he could. Hell, he was an independent for like 30 or 40 years and only became a Democrat last year. Now he's so invested in the Democratic party, that he's given up on the movement and playing the game?

It really is a sham, he's showing he's no different than any other politician, that's the real issue.

[DRiccio21]

I am a fan of him, absolutely. But I am also blown away by how one sided the views are and cut and dry, black and white people are making this out to be.

fairly certain i just said in normal circumstances i can absolutely understand why he's doing what he's doing.

i thought he was trying to prove he was 'different'.

i'm not saying this is black/white. i was just hoodwinked into believing he was someone he obviously isn't. he's just a politician like anyone else. its not a bad thing... shame on me for believing he was different.

[DRiccio21]

and i certainly understand what you're saying regarding not wanting his supporters to go join the Trump team.

that makes complete sense.

its just not something a leader of a revolution would do, in my opinion

[dakshdar]

His run was over when he wasn't going to get the nomination. He's not running for president again - he turns 75 in a about a month and already would have been the oldest elected president this time around. He's not running on the verge of 80 even if there isn't a Democrat just running for re-election in 4 years.

However, while it will remain to be seen whether it is just talk, he has seemingly gotten Hillary to move his way some on College costs and college load debt refinance. And maybe, just maybe, his endorsement leads to his involvement on more important committees over the next 4 years (if Hillary wins) where he can have more impact than sticking to his guns now, bonking the election for Hillary, and trying to do something, anything with Trump in office. Isn't his greatest chance of 'revolution' now to get himself into the best position possible to still make a change while he is serving in Washington? It won't be a instant revolution toppling the system in a single day, but he can still set things on a path toward where he told people he wants to go. As a lost outsider with no support on either side (if he didn't endorse) he can't deliver diddly-squat.