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shel311 wrote:

trendon wrote:

nick wrote:Wilson is the first ever true dual threat QB in the NFL and people are scared of it.

What?

Holy crap, same exact answer. Well done!!!

I know I am late, but I was just going to post the same thing.
He is far from the first.
But I do agree, besides Cam Newton, he is about it in the NFL right now.

The_Niddler wrote:

shel311 wrote:

trendon wrote:

nick wrote:Wilson is the first ever true dual threat QB in the NFL and people are scared of it.

What?

Holy crap, same exact answer. Well done!!!

I know I am late, but I was just going to post the same thing.
He is far from the first.
But I do agree, besides Cam Newton, he is about it in the NFL right now.

Johnny Football!!!!

Whittness10 wrote:

The_Niddler wrote:

shel311 wrote:

trendon wrote:

nick wrote:Wilson is the first ever true dual threat QB in the NFL and people are scared of it.

What?

Holy crap, same exact answer. Well done!!!

I know I am late, but I was just going to post the same thing.
He is far from the first.
But I do agree, besides Cam Newton, he is about it in the NFL right now.

Johnny Football!!!!

There is a nice list of Duals to go along with everyone mentioned not named Johnny Football. Stabler, Cunningham, Young, Vick all paved the way for Vince, Cam, and Russell.

shel311 wrote:Josh Gordon's open letter to Barkley and others

It's almost comical when he claims he's not making excuses, which he is, and that he's not an addict, which he is.

dakshdar wrote:

shel311 wrote:Josh Gordon's open letter to Barkley and others

It's almost comical when he claims he's not making excuses, which he is, and that he's not an addict, which he is.

I didn't read it yet, but it was insinuated that he said he didn't know he could have 4 drinks, which got him on his last test? If true, no one is going to believe that, no way that's true.

I'm not sure how addict is defined, i mean he may not have a chemical type addiction to weed or alcohol, but he certainly has a decision making problem, at the very least.

dakshdar wrote:

shel311 wrote:Josh Gordon's open letter to Barkley and others

It's almost comical when he claims he's not making excuses, which he is, and that he's not an addict, which he is.

i guess that depends if you are taking him at his word that he hasn't smoked in a few years and that he rarely drinks.

i agree 100% with his comments about people who don't know others just judging them blindly. we do that as a society FAR too often and its often a crutch for our own insecurities.

I don't think he has to drink or smoke weed often (or even at all anymore) to be an addict. In fact, someone that used to be an addict, that got clean and sober, is still an addict, they are just not using. They know this, which is why they can't ever go back to using again. You don't stop being an addict when you stop using, you just stop being a user (IMO, don't know what "official" definitions are).

He had very simple things set out before him. Don't do these things, and you will be paid handsomely and be (presumably based on the talent he had shown) a "star" in the NFL. He chose to do those things anyway. Again and again. To me, that screams addict because he couldn't not do those things.

The million dollar question is which PR firm helped him frame this letter much like Bron Brons. its a very compelling letter but how much of it is his words vs a PR firm assisting him to deliver the right message.

I will say regardless it was a great PR move. Hope he does get it together, id love to see the kid give himself a shot at a full season. Hes definitely fun to watch.

secondly... I agree with Daks statement.

dakshdar wrote:I don't think he has to drink or smoke weed often (or even at all anymore) to be an addict. In fact, someone that used to be an addict, that got clean and sober, is still an addict, they are just not using. They know this, which is why they can't ever go back to using again. You don't stop being an addict when you stop using, you just stop being a user (IMO, don't know what "official" definitions are).

He had very simple things set out before him. Don't do these things, and you will be paid handsomely and be (presumably based on the talent he had shown) a "star" in the NFL. He chose to do those things anyway. Again and again. To me, that screams addict because he couldn't not do those things.

i 100% agree with you on your first point that once an addict you're always an addict. i actually overlooked the possibility of him being a recovering addict and not just a recreational user who stopped a few years ago. i don't think the two are nearly the same and just assumed he was a kid who smoked some weed like 75% of the people i know who are 18-20

your comment/judgment on his decision making is really what i was talking about before and it seems like you and I always have these type of back and forths. you mention him potentially 'being paid handsomely' and being a 'star'. we don't know what his motivations are. maybe neither of those things are important to him. maybe football isn't as important to him as we would assume it should be. we all have the habit of judging people based on how we perceive we would act if given that situation when in reality we truly have no idea how we would behave. rickey williams situation is a great example of that... but i don't think him making bad decisions or not caring about his career means he's an addict. i think thats a pretty big leap to take without knowing someone... he might just be ignorant and young or maybe he might be an addict. we have no clue. and yes we are all allowed to pass our own judgments on this message board but i think we are too quick to just assume things about people we don't know. like he says in his piece.

texasfan4444 wrote:The million dollar question is which PR firm helped him frame this letter much like Bron Brons. its a very compelling letter but how much of it is his words vs a PR firm assisting him to deliver the right message.

I will say regardless it was a great PR move. Hope he does get it together, id love to see the kid give himself a shot at a full season. Hes definitely fun to watch.

secondly... I agree with Daks statement.

i would say there is a 99% his agent/PR team helped him write that.

and i would guess 99% of people agree with Dak's statement. because its the much easier stance to take like it was to call Rickey Williams a loser or a waste like we all did (me included) at the time he went on his mission.

DRiccio21 wrote:

i agree 100% with his comments about people who don't know others just judging them blindly. we do that as a society FAR too often and its often a crutch for our own insecurities.

Can you put this in your sig already so you save time from typing it and we save time from always Reading your predictable response on these types of things?

Thanks

it's important to me.

judging people is such a horrible thing and it keeps so many of us from being happy. myself included in the past. whether you realize it or not.

people love to hear about Josh Gordon being a fuck up and then we all act like piranhas 'yeah yeah,what a fuck up he is' 'how could he blow that chance' 'fuck that guy' its why things like TMZ exist and why the news is so negative and all that nonsense.

I know it is and I agree with you but stop the campaign.

Judging people is just as human as your comments about having the inability to be biased. It's scientifically engrained into our dna as a species.

I love your passion though!

Cnasty wrote:I know it is and I agree with you but stop the campaign.

Telling Dave to ease up, that's like telling Ghandi, "Hey man, I know you mean well, but lay off with all the helpful stuff!"

I like what he said in his letter.

I agree that someone helped him write it, but I also understand where he is coming from in most of what he said.
He appreciates people's concern, but he feels that they need to pull an I_S33M here and keep his name out their moufs because they don't know him.

It is so true that we all, myself included, judge people without knowing the person, facts, etc.
We take the little bit we know about the situation and form our opinions and with the internet, it is now very easy to communicate those opinions.

Stop it, Dave. Judging people is a form of pattern recognition and is one of the main reasons why we are here as humans.

DRiccio21 wrote:people love to hear about Josh Gordon being a fuck up and then we all act like piranhas 'yeah yeah,what a fuck up he is' 'how could he blow that chance' 'fuck that guy' its why things like TMZ exist and why the news is so negative and all that nonsense.

It is because human beings do not weigh positive and negative traits/actions evenly. Human beings put more emphasis on negativity because we feel as though that is a more apt characterization of a human being than positive traits. A child molester could also be a philanthropist.

Lots of Pete Repeat type stuff going on in the ndl now a days.

I'm trying to recall the Ricky Williams thing but (without looking it up), I thought he decided to leave/retire so he could do what he wants. That was his decision and I don't have a problem with that (again, if I'm remembering it right).

Gordon had made a promise to his team to be there. He signed a contract to play football and then willfully broke rules stipulated by that contract. The Browns were relying on him to fulfill his role in the offense and had spent time and effort putting in plans and that involve him being there. Even after the first suspension (or two), they likely expected him come back and play. Yet he has repeatedly failed them and, though I know he mentions that in his letter too, that he's "sorry he's letting them down," at some point, sorry isn't good enough.

He may in fact not be an addict, though his actions seemingly portray him as one. Regardless of what his motivations are in life, I'm judging him by his failure to fulfill his end of things regarding his team. I did assume he wanted to play football and wanted to make money. Those could be poor assumptions and may be incorrect entirely. But he agreed to play for the Browns and in return he was going to be very well compensated. He then made decisions with his life that, in the context of his job, are very poor and nearly indefensible.

Edit:

My favorite paragraph might be this one:

In connection with the DWI case, the league — in consideration of the fact that my blood-alcohol level was just .01 over the legal limit — agreed to shorten my punishment from four games lost to two. These games were tacked on to my eight-game suspension that had been levied on account of my inadvertently inhaling second-hand marijuana smoke last offseason.

Does it really matter how over the limit you are once you're over the limit? And just how much second hand pot smoke do you need to inhale in order to fail a drug test because, without being a biochemist, I'm going to guess it is lots and lots (if it's even possible). Comical indeed.