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nick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:49 pm Imagine being a guy and telling a woman what to do with her body …

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:00 pm

nick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:49 pm Imagine being a guy and telling a woman what to do with her body …

I am pro life. But I am kinda where you are on this stance.

I don't think it's any of my business or anyone else business what happens. I do think there should be a time where abortions shouldn't be happening, but again....who am I to say what is right for another person.

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:21 pm

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:56 am

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:13 am Focusing on the <1% while missing the bigger picture... sounds like every liberal agenda.

Pot meet kettle? Conservative agendas are any different?

Throwing out a picture of a baby on an operating table and saying that is a true representation of abortions when the truth is actually the overwhelming majority of abortions that happen in this country are a woman takes pills then has a heavy period..... But hey you guys are the virtuous ones.

No idea what point you're trying to make... that there's a misrepresentation on the how? That killing via medical is more virtuous than via suction/other? Who the hell really knows what kind of illogical justifications go on in your head.

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:44 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:00 pm

nick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:49 pm Imagine being a guy and telling a woman what to do with her body …

I am pro life. But I am kinda where you are on this stance.

I don't think it's any of my business or anyone else business what happens. I do think there should be a time where abortions shouldn't be happening, but again....who am I to say what is right for another person.

Says alot when you are the sane one among the knuckle draggers

I'd be surprised if you could find a abortion provider that would perform one on a healthy mom with a healthy late term fetus unlike what the fear mongering right would like to have everyone believe as justification for abortion bans.

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:09 pm

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:44 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:00 pm

nick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:49 pm Imagine being a guy and telling a woman what to do with her body …

I am pro life. But I am kinda where you are on this stance.

I don't think it's any of my business or anyone else business what happens. I do think there should be a time where abortions shouldn't be happening, but again....who am I to say what is right for another person.

Says alot when you are the sane one among the knuckle draggers

I'd be surprised if you could find a abortion provider that would perform one on a healthy mom with a healthy late term fetus unlike what the fear mongering right would like to have everyone believe as justification for abortion bans.

I truly believe you are a complete idiot.

Reread what I wrote and then try to correlate what you wrote with my comment.

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:28 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:09 pm

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:44 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:00 pm

nick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:49 pm Imagine being a guy and telling a woman what to do with her body …

I am pro life. But I am kinda where you are on this stance.

I don't think it's any of my business or anyone else business what happens. I do think there should be a time where abortions shouldn't be happening, but again....who am I to say what is right for another person.

Says alot when you are the sane one among the knuckle draggers

I'd be surprised if you could find a abortion provider that would perform one on a healthy mom with a healthy late term fetus unlike what the fear mongering right would like to have everyone believe as justification for abortion bans.

I truly believe you are a complete idiot.

Reread what I wrote and then try to correlate what you wrote with my comment.

That you personally are pro life and that there should be limits on how late an abortion can occur which I'd say 90% of sane individuals could get behind. What did I miss fucknut?

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:38 pm

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:28 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:09 pm

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:44 pm

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:00 pm

I am pro life. But I am kinda where you are on this stance.

I don't think it's any of my business or anyone else business what happens. I do think there should be a time where abortions shouldn't be happening, but again....who am I to say what is right for another person.

Says alot when you are the sane one among the knuckle draggers

I'd be surprised if you could find a abortion provider that would perform one on a healthy mom with a healthy late term fetus unlike what the fear mongering right would like to have everyone believe as justification for abortion bans.

I truly believe you are a complete idiot.

Reread what I wrote and then try to correlate what you wrote with my comment.

That you personally are pro life and that there should be limits on how late an abortion can occur which I'd say 90% of sane individuals could get behind. What did I miss fucknut?

So the rest of your rambling on was for show. Got it! Shouldn't you antifa members be out setting trash cans on fire in front of court houses?

nick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:49 pm Imagine being a guy and telling a woman what to do with her body …

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:50 pm

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:21 pm

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:56 am

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:13 am Focusing on the <1% while missing the bigger picture... sounds like every liberal agenda.

Pot meet kettle? Conservative agendas are any different?

Throwing out a picture of a baby on an operating table and saying that is a true representation of abortions when the truth is actually the overwhelming majority of abortions that happen in this country are a woman takes pills then has a heavy period..... But hey you guys are the virtuous ones.

No idea what point you're trying to make... that there's a misrepresentation on the how? That killing via medical is more virtuous than via suction/other? Who the hell really knows what kind of illogical justifications go on in your head.

If rape, incest, etc are insignificant arguments due to the low percentages that they represent so to are late term abortions in the opposite direction due to the same low percentages that they make up in the total number performed correct?

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:01 pm Crowes - The irony in this is that you, BFIVL, George and myself seem like we're in the same ballpark on the issue, but your arguments are so fucking goofy that you'd think we were polar opposites.

With that said, it's a safe bet that when it comes to financial responsibility and government involvement, we're not even close.

1.) I'm ok w/abortion in the case of rape or risk to mom's life. Incest has varying interpretations by state. IMO, it's a choice. If it's not a choice, then it's rape and not incest. So in that case, rape covers it.
2.) Timeline, I've struggled with over the years. I've softened my stance over the last 10 years, but still no where near the 20 weeks that some consider. For years I was hardline, only in cases of rape/mom's life. Now I believe until a heartbeat is recognized. Many doctors consider it an embryo until 6-8 weeks. Based on numerous discussions with fertility doctors, I'm comfortable with this timeline.
3.) As for cost, I don't believe the government should be involved at all. I believe medical shouldn't cover it unless it's in the case of rape/health risk.

You decide to have sex, therefore you accept the risk of having a child. If you're not ready to have a kid, then you're not ready to be sexually active. I know it's really surprising that the root of my belief is personal responsibility. I must be crazy.

BFiVL wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:40 am

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:01 pm Crowes - The irony in this is that you, BFIVL, George and myself seem like we're in the same ballpark on the issue, but your arguments are so fucking goofy that you'd think we were polar opposites.

With that said, it's a safe bet that when it comes to financial responsibility and government involvement, we're not even close.

1.) I'm ok w/abortion in the case of rape or risk to mom's life. Incest has varying interpretations by state. IMO, it's a choice. If it's not a choice, then it's rape and not incest. So in that case, rape covers it.
2.) Timeline, I've struggled with over the years. I've softened my stance over the last 10 years, but still no where near the 20 weeks that some consider. For years I was hardline, only in cases of rape/mom's life. Now I believe until a heartbeat is recognized. Many doctors consider it an embryo until 6-8 weeks. Based on numerous discussions with fertility doctors, I'm comfortable with this timeline.
3.) As for cost, I don't believe the government should be involved at all. I believe medical shouldn't cover it unless it's in the case of rape/health risk.

You decide to have sex, therefore you accept the risk of having a child. If you're not ready to have a kid, then you're not ready to be sexually active. I know it's really surprising that the root of my belief is personal responsibility. I must be crazy.

I agree 100 percent with this but again it seems as if you are saying if you have consensual sex and get pregnant have the child no matter what. What if the baby life expectancy was near zero? Or posed a major health risk to mother. This isn’t just a <1 percent thing. I’m not talking about aborting Down syndrome or any other disability that can be managed. I also have a problem with a law that can go after Uber drivers, secretaries, nurses, or the person who pays for it.


Im like Dave Chappelle Women should have the right to choose. But if they have it, men have the right to run the fuck out.

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