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Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:59 pm
by shel311
BFiVL wrote:shel311 wrote:BFiVL wrote:Unwritten rule of football that Tampa bay said "nope we still gonna go 100% "could have led to injury since NYG was kneeling and not expecting to be hit.
What if, since it was not expected, Eli fumbles and Tampa picks it up? Not likely, but more likely if they're not expecting it.
I still haven't seen the hit, but if it's like AJ says where guys were going into the center's knees, yea that's dirty.
But I think unwritten are dumb, just my opinion. If the NYG Oline is just standing there while Eli takes a few steps back and doesn't kneel right away, I have zero issue with a lineman legally and in a clean way flying through the line and hitting Manning. I'm sure most will disagree, no biggie.
I see both sides of the argument but it is still dickheadish. Like a team down 28 and calling time outs with under a minute to go. They are showing mercy. Take it.
Obviously I agree to that it's definitely dickheadish to some extent.
That being said, I'm not faulting Schiano or think he was soooo wrong there.. He's simply saying screw your unwritten rules, I have a game to try and win. I"m all for that.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:00 pm
by swellvermin
shel311 wrote:BFiVL wrote:shel311 wrote:BFiVL wrote:Unwritten rule of football that Tampa bay said "nope we still gonna go 100% "could have led to injury since NYG was kneeling and not expecting to be hit.
What if, since it was not expected, Eli fumbles and Tampa picks it up? Not likely, but more likely if they're not expecting it.
I still haven't seen the hit, but if it's like AJ says where guys were going into the center's knees, yea that's dirty.
But I think unwritten are dumb, just my opinion. If the NYG Oline is just standing there while Eli takes a few steps back and doesn't kneel right away, I have zero issue with a lineman legally and in a clean way flying through the line and hitting Manning. I'm sure most will disagree, no biggie.
I see both sides of the argument but it is still dickheadish. Like a team down 28 and calling time outs with under a minute to go. They are showing mercy. Take it.
Obviously I agree to that it's definitely dickheadish to some extent.
That being said, I'm not faulting Schiano or think he was soooo wrong there.. He's simply saying screw your unwritten rules, I have a game to try and win. I"m all for that.
Win at all costs, eh cheeser?
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:02 pm
by shel311
swellvermin wrote:Win at all costs, eh cheeser?
I'll take a Saints win if that's all we gotta do, bullrush the Dline. Hell, other teams are getting cozy kneeling the ball on us so far this year.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:03 pm
by swellvermin
shel311 wrote:swellvermin wrote:Win at all costs, eh cheeser?
I'll take a Saints win if that's all we gotta do, bullrush the Dline. Hell, other teams are getting cozy kneeling the ball on us so far this year.
Lmao bhahaha
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:38 pm
by ajalves
ajalves wrote:saints go 8-8 this year
i might have been being nice
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:32 pm
by Cnasty
ajalves wrote:ajalves wrote:saints go 8-8 this year
i might have been being nice
Super duper nice
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:20 pm
by shel311
ajalves wrote:ajalves wrote:saints go 8-8 this year
i might have been being nice
I'm super sorry for doubting you.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:17 pm
by shel311
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/i ... iots-it-is
Didn't watch the game, but Welker had 11 targets to Edelman's 6, so what am I missing here?
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:20 pm
by dakshdar
It's early, but Welker averaged almost 8 catches a game last year and he has 8 catches this year.
And, he wasn't even in the game until Hernandez got hurt this week.
I dont' know if it is Bellechik trying to prove a point to Welker about why they wouldn't give him a contract and instead only franchised him, but he isn't a "starter" for them, but he's probaly a top 3 WR in the league. It is a weird situtation.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:27 pm
by shel311
dakshdar wrote:And, he wasn't even in the game until Hernandez got hurt this week.
Gotcha, that makes sense.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:33 pm
by nick
pats are just showing Welker hes replaceable and not worth the money... which im sure he is lol
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:43 pm
by Cnasty
Replaceable?
Your right
He's a system wr with one bad knee injury under his belt
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:04 pm
by mbyrd75
BFiVL wrote:shel311 wrote:BFiVL wrote:Unwritten rule of football that Tampa bay said "nope we still gonna go 100% "could have led to injury since NYG was kneeling and not expecting to be hit.
What if, since it was not expected, Eli fumbles and Tampa picks it up? Not likely, but more likely if they're not expecting it.
I still haven't seen the hit, but if it's like AJ says where guys were going into the center's knees, yea that's dirty.
But I think unwritten are dumb, just my opinion. If the NYG Oline is just standing there while Eli takes a few steps back and doesn't kneel right away, I have zero issue with a lineman legally and in a clean way flying through the line and hitting Manning. I'm sure most will disagree, no biggie.
I see both sides of the argument but it is still dickheadish. Like a team down 28 and calling time outs with under a minute to go. They are showing mercy. Take it.
Don't agree at all. I've seen teams fumble the exchange in a kneel down and the defense Gave up so they couldn't recover it. Tb was down one score i could see if they were down multiple but one crazier things have happened than a fumbled snap.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:07 pm
by Cnasty
"you don't do that at this level"
Oh holier than thou Tom Coughlin!
Give me a break
Schiano should have punched the old man right in his drunken red face
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:10 pm
by shel311
Finally, I got some reinforcements!!!
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:11 pm
by Cnasty
Was it legal, yes
Was the game over,no
Has it worked before for schiano,yes
What's the problem here?
Oh yea, those pesky "unwritten rules"
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:14 pm
by mbyrd75
Brandon weeden knows a thing or two about fumbling the snap on a kneel down. Troy recovered only because they were rushing and didn't just stand up.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/O ... ILLW378769
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:24 pm
by shel311
There ya go.
I bet Coughlin preaches playing to the whistle and never quitting and going all out until the game is over.
That's what Tampa did. It's only "dirty" because the Giants weren't going all out, that's not tampa's fault.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:46 pm
by BFiVL
Tampa bay fans may applaud this as playing to the end but I am sure when they are getting thumped and people are still running plays and trying to score they will bitch. It's a double edge sword. With the exception of those damned dirty saints, this game likes to pretend to be about sportsmanship and respect.
Re: NFL Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:55 pm
by dakshdar
shel311 wrote:
There ya go.
I bet Coughlin preaches playing to the whistle and never quitting and going all out until the game is over.
That's what Tampa did. It's only "dirty" because the Giants weren't going all out, that's not tampa's fault.
What NFL team has ever preached going "all out" on a kneel down? Plus, it was the method of the "bull rush" being diving at the offensive line's legs. NFL players, in general, tend to be very unhappy when people hit them at or below the knee because that can be the end of their career and the end of the non-guaranteed contract. It is essentially a chop block, which is illegal if the offensive player does it (and should be if the defensive player does, if it isn't already).