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Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:02 pm**

Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:10 pm
shel311 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:05 pm And kids were placed in those cages under Trump's presidency, is that where she was going with that?
I mean unless someone else was president in 2017?

I can hear the what-aboutisms from Georgie and reign coming already but I'll let them have their glory

No whataboutisms here. I just find it laughable she is going to come out and talk about kids put in cages under Trump's presidency but not hold the same standard to her husband's presidency.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:11 pm**

It's not a 'whataboutism' if the 'whatabout' is exactly why it's so laughable. A 'whataboutism' would be bringing up something that's completely unrelated to the point at hand and then using it as a comparison. This isn't a comparison... it's literally the same cages.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:25 pm**

Whataboutism- attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

Yup you guys hit it outta the park

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:30 pm**

Crowes ain't even trying any more.

You hate to see it.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:35 pm**

From Miriam-Wrbster

Whataboutism' is a rhetorical device that involves accusing others of offenses as a way of deflecting attention from one's own deeds.

Isn't that exactly what Michelle Obama did?

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:38 pm**

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:35 pm From Miriam-Wrbster

Whataboutism' is a rhetorical device that involves accusing others of offenses as a way of deflecting attention from one's own deeds.

Isn't that exactly what Michelle Obama did?

Now if it was the Mr. Obama that was the one saying it you might be one to something.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:40 pm**

Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:25 pm Whataboutism- attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

Yup you guys hit it outta the park

Good job, good effort.

If my argument is that it's ok because Bill Clinton did it or she's a hypocrite because another Dem did it (when they weren't brought up in the conversation), I'd give you some ground. But it was her f'n husband! 8

This is approaching CHAZ levels of silliness.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:40 pm**

Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:38 pm
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:35 pm From Miriam-Wrbster

Whataboutism' is a rhetorical device that involves accusing others of offenses as a way of deflecting attention from one's own deeds.

Isn't that exactly what Michelle Obama did?
Now if it was the Mr. Obama that was the one saying it you might be one to something.

Unreal

Well done Shel with this one

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:40 pm**

Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:38 pm
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:35 pm From Miriam-Wrbster

Whataboutism' is a rhetorical device that involves accusing others of offenses as a way of deflecting attention from one's own deeds.

Isn't that exactly what Michelle Obama did?
Now if it was the Mr. Obama that was the one saying it you might be one to something.

You're fucking with us right?

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:41 pm**

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:40 pm
Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:38 pm
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:35 pm From Miriam-Wrbster

Whataboutism' is a rhetorical device that involves accusing others of offenses as a way of deflecting attention from one's own deeds.

Isn't that exactly what Michelle Obama did?
Now if it was the Mr. Obama that was the one saying it you might be one to something.
You're fucking with us right?

Left wing nut jobs never fuck around. They are 100% serious all the time

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:43 pm**

Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:38 pm Now if it was the Mr. Obama that was the one saying it you might be one to something.

shel311 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:30 pm Crowes ain't even trying any more.

You hate to see it.

Posted: **Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:49 pm**

Michelle conveys that Trump putting kids in cages is wrong the only agruement is you guys calling her a hypocrite because of what about it being done in the past ie whataboutism...... Refute her point that Trumps policy is not ok for such and such reasons. Just saying Obama did it to is not refuting the point.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:30 am**

Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:49 pm Michelle conveys that Trump putting kids in cages is wrong the only agruement is you guys calling her a hypocrite because of what about it being done in the past ie whataboutism...... Refute her point that Trumps policy is not ok for such and such reasons. Just saying Obama did it to is not refuting the point.

You are calling it a 'whataboutism' and trying to force it into one.

I'm telling you it's not. I don't need to refute it. Her point can be valid or invalid, it doesn't matter to me. As much as you want to claim it's a 'whataboutism' then try to force a definition, it's not.

A.) Her point is valid and "people watch in horror as kids are thrown in cages." So who has thrown the kinds in cages? ICE, Trump, and Obama would be the common answers. Who built the cages? Obama. Sounds like her husband is a real asshole.
B.) Her point is not valid and she's seriously exaggerating what is going on. Seems kind of dumb to choose to exaggerate this point, when it's going to come back to your husband.

As you can see, valid, not valid... whatever. It's a lose-lose. This shit is funny either way. Though not nearly as funny as watching your handiwork tonight.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:48 am**

"I know a predator when I see one!" - Kamala Harris

I'm disappointed that I haven't been home to watch the convention.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:47 am**

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:30 am
Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:49 pm Michelle conveys that Trump putting kids in cages is wrong the only agruement is you guys calling her a hypocrite because of what about it being done in the past ie whataboutism...... Refute her point that Trumps policy is not ok for such and such reasons. Just saying Obama did it to is not refuting the point.
Though not nearly as funny as watching your handiwork tonight.

I assure you it's nothing like the side splitting moments that you and the other resident knuckle dragger produce.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:02 am**

Another one bites the dust

fraud and a close trump associate who woulda thunk it......

https://www.axios.com/steve-bannon-char ... 9f777.html

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:49 pm**

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:47 am
ReignOnU wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:30 am
Crowes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:49 pm Michelle conveys that Trump putting kids in cages is wrong the only agruement is you guys calling her a hypocrite because of what about it being done in the past ie whataboutism...... Refute her point that Trumps policy is not ok for such and such reasons. Just saying Obama did it to is not refuting the point.
Though not nearly as funny as watching your handiwork tonight.
I assure you it's nothing like the side splitting moments that you and the other resident knuckle dragger produce.

Slip the argument, counter with a little bit of "I'm rubber, you're glue." I'm sure you'll book that as a well executed game plan.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:53 pm**

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:47 am I assure you it's nothing like the side splitting moments that you and the other resident knuckle dragger produce.

Crowes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:47 am Whataboutism- attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

Yup you guys hit it outta the park

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:36 pm**

President @realDonaldTrump: If you want a vision of your life under Joe Biden, imagine the smoldering ruins of Minneapolis, the violent anarchy of Portland and the bloodstained sidewalks of Chicago coming to every city and town in America

...

much like Michelle Obama, Trump is aware this is happening under his presidency right?

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:02 pm**

nick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:36 pm President @realDonaldTrump: If you want a vision of your life under Joe Biden, imagine the smoldering ruins of Minneapolis, the violent anarchy of Portland and the bloodstained sidewalks of Chicago coming to every city and town in America

...

much like Michelle Obama, Trump is aware this is happening under his presidency right?

Once you learn how American politics work you should step aside. But to make it simple for you...the federal government cannot go into a state or city without the states request unless federal property is being threatened. Think of the debacle of Katrina, the federal government couldn't go in without the mayor asking the state for help and the state asking for the fed for help. It sucks in that situation but it keeps federal government overreach into affairs that do not run in their jurisdiction

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