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nick wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:39 am we have Tim Hortons up here. iunno how prevalent it is in the US but an Everything bagel with cream cheese toasted add bacon is a must.

DParm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:55 am But the first guy Dick Todd, Ive never seen anyone jump that high that fast, ever

DParm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:55 am I see where Neurotic is coming from. Its the same principle as the Trashstros and their bull shit championship. All fans want is for them to admit wrong doing, not to enhance punishment, but just for the principle. If you get caught cheating, you get caught. If Houston suddenly admitted to their wrong doings throughout multiple season's, will anything change? Of course not. Will Dodger, Yankee, and all AL West fans continue to call them cheaters til the day they die, absofuckinglutely (Credit to whoever it was that said this prior). Its just part of the stigma. You get caught cheating, youre gonna get shit talked, til the end of time. As one of my elementary teachers once said, "dont do the crime, if you dont wanna do the time. Eventually...maybe ....10 OOTP versions into the future, it might be forgotten about...or it could be our leagues version of the black sox. Telling each other they are stupid or petty isnt really going to change the way they feel. Hell im sure there are 49er and packers fans out there that call the cowboys cheaters yanno cuz of Michael Irvins problem with the white powder. Its just part of the territory. I for one though have enjoyed this, and after a brief moment of contemplation, I think imma bring up 1 HOFer every week...until 2085. That should add a little excitement. Lastly, dude that evidence is pretty concrete, if the documentation is true....IDK Im not gonna go back and attempt to fact check it. But the first guy Dick Todd, Ive never seen anyone jump that high that fast, ever...and Ive been playing ootp since 2003, unless I was playing in commish mode and altered the guys myself.(fuck off i cheated vs the computer, offline, bite me). The thing that sticks out most is how far over his original potential that he got, and then sustained it. I got Vladimir Guerrero (Potentially ootp 21s best rated player) already regressing in one league and hes fucking 23. Even though I have my own suspicions about that commish cheating too. Now, because I opened my mouth....go ahead and shit all over me. It comes with the territory.

PS: 13 POSTS AWAY FROM THE BIG 1-0-0!

TheGobOne wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:10 am The most telling thing is it’s always the contact that goes up almost always ONLY the contact. That’s abnormal 100%.

The_Niddler wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:04 am First off, I am allowed to disagree with anything you say. It is my right.
Second, I am not a cream cheese fan. Peanut butter for the win!

TheGobOne wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:10 am I gotta say after looking at that spreadsheet it’s pretty damning tbh. Maybe I was that blind...

The most telling thing is it’s always the contact that goes up almost always ONLY the contact. That’s abnormal 100%.

If we played for money and/or Corey was still commish I’d be concerned. But since we play for fun and boomer pride I gotta get over it.

The league is in the best spot it’s ever been since I’ve been here. Honestly feels like almost every team is trying and it makes that much more FUN to win.

Don’t let 30 season old drama muddy the waters IMO.

shel311 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:10 am
I remember that trade, and Todd was talked about as a stud before and around the time of the trade, which basically means all of our scouts had already seen the huge ratings jump, so we all had access to that info. He gets traded in December, OSA catches up 1 month later to what all 30 Owners' scouts already knew, that he had a big ratings boost. So I do think it's important for those who weren't around to know that he wasn't just an ok player traded in December who then 1 month/1 sim later looked elite. That's not how it happened.

jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:23 am Here are the gains from the first OSA *after* acquired - so changes that solely happened in-house in Boston

Neurotic wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:15 am

The_Niddler wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:04 am First off, I am allowed to disagree with anything you say. It is my right.
Second, I am not a cream cheese fan. Peanut butter for the win!

Just when I think we're making progress you remind me why we're not friends.

shel311 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:33 am

jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:23 am Here are the gains from the first OSA *after* acquired - so changes that solely happened in-house in Boston

I'd question the changes solely happened after acquisition, you don't know that since all we have is OSA.

As I mentioned, I'm very confident that Todd's ratings occurred well before January post acquisition as he was a talked about dude around that time of the trade, and I don't see why he'd have been on the radar of the league unless our scouts had already seen the ratings jump.


Again, just providing context here that we're using the once per year OSA, which doesn't mean the jump actually happened post acquisition, especially if a couple of these dudes were traded in the offseason.

Just looked at those dudes plus Todd, 7 guys. 4 of the 7 were traded in November or December and a 5th guy in August. So my question I'd pose would be, how do you know the ratings increase took place post acquisition and our scouts didn't have the bulk of these guys' ratings boosts accounted for at the time of the trade?

Neurotic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:44 pm Just FYI, for anyone that needs "hard proof", this is about as close as it comes:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

This is 10 different players all from the 2049 Boston roster. All of them show progression of their potentials within the first year or two of being acquired by Boston. They all seemingly develop to their potentials in the 2049 and 2050 window. While its been mentioned before that this is statistically possible (to be fair, its statistically possible we're all living in the Matrix right now), its VERY improbable to have happened genuinely. This type of progression in this sheer number (keep in mind this is just players off ONE years team) just doesn't happen in OOTP. Let alone for them all to develop, and not just develop, but develop in the same window.

The reference to his success earlier was an easier attempt to show you just the level of absurdity in which the editing was happening.

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:00 am The passive aggressiveness in this league runs deep. Hell, it even ran off, arguably, one of the best owners to ever grace the league....and he knew nothing about baseball. And I mean NOTHING!

KShorey wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:50 am I can guarantee one thing, a scout had NOTHING to do with that sort of success. I was naive in my first NDL stint and thought a scout made all the difference...ended up paying a Legendary across the board scout 6 mil per season, didn't make much difference. He still missed on about 80% of his 80 potential prospects

Graywolf357 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:00 am
You need to cheat vs the computer. Haha had the take a old NL west shot.

nick wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:50 am i use my scout for everything and im a good owner.

ajalves wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:41 am

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:00 am The passive aggressiveness in this league runs deep. Hell, it even ran off, arguably, one of the best owners to ever grace the league....and he knew nothing about baseball. And I mean NOTHING!

a self admitted 'cheater'...