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I heard the same thing about Cardale Jones.
Go now and be a late 3rd or 4th round pick. Stay and run the risk of not playing next year, or not much at all and then maybe not get drafted.

And it was a great game played by Ohio State.
I have no idea why Oregon kept going back to the run. Their hurry up, pass offense, seemed to be working.
Whatever their reason, I am happy it ended up as it did.
The next few seasons should be very interesting to see how OSU does.

I just tossed 3/4 out there... truth is, with his build/arm, I could see the NFL scouts getting really excited about him.

The news I heard said 3rd or 4th.

The_Niddler wrote:
I have no idea why Oregon kept going back to the run. Their hurry up, pass offense, seemed to be working.

They're a run team. You have to stick with what you think you do best. I think Mariota hurt his draft stock last night and got exposed as a product of a system. The Buckeyes played a great game defensively and took away the short passing/bubble screen game that he relies on. He has a lot of talent though and I hope he does well. He seems like a good kid.

OracleHCR wrote: I think Mariota hurt his draft stock last night and got exposed as a product of a system. The Buckeyes played a great game defensively and took away the short passing/bubble screen game that he relies on. He has a lot of talent though and I hope he does well. He seems like a good kid.

The passing game was the least of the reasons Oregon lost, fwiw.

They lost in the run game, on both sides of the ball. Throw in stopping Ohio State's pass. Mariota may not have played his best game, but he wasn't bad passing at all.

shel311 wrote:

ajalves wrote:

fsupenguin wrote: he is an all time great now.

I assume you mean, he already was before last night, correct?

No not all. He had won two championships and was clearly a great coach, but now having captured #3 I think is crosses a threshold into truly elite company with the best to ever patrol the sidelines.

OracleHCR wrote:

The_Niddler wrote:
I have no idea why Oregon kept going back to the run. Their hurry up, pass offense, seemed to be working.

They're a run team. You have to stick with what you think you do best. I think Mariota hurt his draft stock last night and got exposed as a product of a system. The Buckeyes played a great game defensively and took away the short passing/bubble screen game that he relies on. He has a lot of talent though and I hope he does well. He seems like a good kid.

How so? 300+ yards throwing? 2 TD's? MULTIPLE dropped balls that were right there? OSU did a great job taking away stuff like you just said and he didn't make many misreads. You can't give OSU credit and then say Mariota did bad, it's either one or the other.

OracleHCR wrote:

The_Niddler wrote:
I have no idea why Oregon kept going back to the run. Their hurry up, pass offense, seemed to be working.

They're a run team. You have to stick with what you think you do best. I think Mariota hurt his draft stock last night and got exposed as a product of a system. The Buckeyes played a great game defensively and took away the short passing/bubble screen game that he relies on. He has a lot of talent though and I hope he does well. He seems like a good kid.

Marriotta was lights out last night passing for the most part and had three killer drops which stopped him from throwing for damn near 400 yards.......

Not much is being said about how OSU ended that game. Oregon had 2 timeouts left and there was under a minute to play and they didn't take them. OSU decided to score anyway instead of taking a knee. In the NDL we would be looking for a new OSU Coach, LOL!

cougnix wrote:Not much is being said about how OSU ended that game. Oregon had 2 timeouts left and there was under a minute to play and they didn't take them. OSU decided to score anyway instead of taking a knee. In the NDL we would be looking for a new OSU Coach, LOL!

It was an iffy call.
But I will say, for me personally, this is what I like about Meyer. He does not take his foot off the gas pedal. That is the one thing I used to hate about Mr. Sweater Vest, Tressel.
I respected Tressel, but he would take his foot off the gas too soon and teams would get momentum and end up back in games.

The very last drive, Meyer gave the team their choice and the team chose to kneel on it.
He was going to let them score again if they wanted to.

packsyd2284 wrote:

OracleHCR wrote:

The_Niddler wrote:
I have no idea why Oregon kept going back to the run. Their hurry up, pass offense, seemed to be working.

They're a run team. You have to stick with what you think you do best. I think Mariota hurt his draft stock last night and got exposed as a product of a system. The Buckeyes played a great game defensively and took away the short passing/bubble screen game that he relies on. He has a lot of talent though and I hope he does well. He seems like a good kid.

Marriotta was lights out last night passing for the most part and had three killer drops which stopped him from throwing for damn near 400 yards.......

This!... Those two drops in the first few series really seemed to hurt the confidence of the coaching staff in sticking with the pass and seemed to change the way they called the game. Oregon missing their top 3/4 WR TE threats didn't help that either.

26-36 338 72.2& 2 TD 1 INT - INT was late in desperation. I dont think its a big assumption to say 400 was with in reach. Not to mention his biggest WR threat was a converted RB and a gimpy TE.

Do I think his stock dropped? yes, a little. but not because he was exposed, just simply because he wasn't able to will his way into the Win like he had in the past. Just lost a little bit of the allure and mystique he had circling around him. I still think he goes in the 10-15 range as there are teams with a huge need at QB.

Frankly, That Ohio State D played about as perfect as you can hope against a team like that. They should be Co-Mvps with Zeke IMO.

texasfan4444 wrote:This!... Those two drops in the first few series really seemed to hurt the confidence of the coaching staff in sticking with the pass and seemed to change the way they called the game. Oregon missing their top 3/4 WR TE threats didn't help that either.

26-36 338 72.2& 2 TD 1 INT - INT was late in desperation. I dont think its a big assumption to say 400 was with in reach. Not to mention his biggest WR threat was a converted RB and a gimpy TE.

Do I think his stock dropped? yes, a little. but not because he was exposed, just simply because he wasn't able to will his way into the Win like he had in the past. Just lost a little bit of the allure and mystique he had circling around him. I still think he goes in the 10-15 range as there are teams with a huge need at QB.

Frankly, That Ohio State D played about as perfect as you can hope against a team like that. They should be Co-Mvps with Zeke IMO.

Was just having a conversation with a co-worker aobut his and we believe that he was exposed.
Now NFL scouts will question and put him under a microscope for his pocket presence. Not that they wouldn't have anyways, but it brought light to it, we feel.
Most know that running QB's don't work too well in the NFL. Unless you are a pocket, pass QB first and run when needed.

packsyd2284 wrote:

OracleHCR wrote:

The_Niddler wrote:
I have no idea why Oregon kept going back to the run. Their hurry up, pass offense, seemed to be working.

They're a run team. You have to stick with what you think you do best. I think Mariota hurt his draft stock last night and got exposed as a product of a system. The Buckeyes played a great game defensively and took away the short passing/bubble screen game that he relies on. He has a lot of talent though and I hope he does well. He seems like a good kid.

Marriotta was lights out last night passing for the most part and had three killer drops which stopped him from throwing for damn near 400 yards.......

+1

Only two SEC teams in the top 10. Figured there would have still been 6 teams there.

I am surprised that FSU is #5, with how poorly they played all season and getting routes in the Rose Bowl was figuring a #10 spot would be over reaching as well.

FSU has to be the least respected 13-0 team of all time.

shel311 wrote:FSU has to be the least respected 13-0 team of all time.

And 13-1 team of all time.

What was Hawaii's record when they went undefeated and got blown out, by Georgia I believe? 12-1? Probably more respected than FSUs team this year

If it was all about record they wouldn't have rankings and voting.

They were 13-1 with:

1 score win over Oklahoma State (7-6)
1 score OT win over Clemson, trailed in 4th quarter
Come from behind 2 score win over NC State (8-5)
Come from behind 1 score win over ND (8-5) at home with almost losing on final play of game, trailed in 4th quarter
Come from behind 2 score win over Louisville, trailed in 4th quarter
Come from behind 1 score win over Miami (6-7), trailed in 4th quarter
Come from behind 1 score win over BC (7-6), won on final play FG
1 score win over 7-5 Florida

That's a mighty un-impressive display compared to most of the other top teams. They played several games where they were not the better team for 3+ quarters and won late. Their odds of winning many of those games were so low in the second halves that it might be impossible for them to repeat the 13-0 record no matter how many times they'd replay the season of games.

In years past people would assume 13-0 was a great team. Today, people can watch the games, read the recaps and understand that the team was scraping out wins over middle-of-the-road competition

I thought mariota looked great.

He's very accurate on all throws, showed nice elusiveness and I saw him read progressions pretty fast and hit his second receiver multiple times.

I'd go mariota over jameis obviously but I don't think either is that elite, franchise changing qb

I don't know why, but I'm just not seeing Jameis as a good Pro QB. I may be way off, but I don't think he's worthy of a top 10 pick, and I don't think he'll have much if any success in the pros. I guess we'll find out

Seeitsaveit13 wrote:I don't know why, but I'm just not seeing Jameis as a good Pro QB. I may be way off, but I don't think he's worthy of a top 10 pick, and I don't think he'll have much if any success in the pros. I guess we'll find out

If he gets past all the character screening the NFL is going to do on him during combine/draft time, he will have a chance to be serviceable. (see Josh Freeman) However, my gut feeling is that he fucks up even before the draft.