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ajalves wrote:

jsence2 wrote:This kid has more guts and courage than the "anonymous" GMs and scouts saying crap

so people who are gay have to announce it to the world? if so, for some reason, that is them displaying courage?

strange

Wait, you don't think what he did took courage? Seriously?


And also, he wasn't announcing it to the world just for the sake of announcing it to the world, there was a reason for it.

idealistically he should never have to say anything... i get that point that people have been trying to make.

unfortunately that's not NEARLY the world we live in. so its certainly courageous and its certainly trailblazing and necessary for growth until the point where a guy announces it and there is no reaction. each generation that passes is more educated and more understanding so we aren't far off that point.

the same way the first time a black guy played in the bigs or a woman broke a barrier. its a process.

I understand. I do.

ajalves wrote:

jsence2 wrote:This kid has more guts and courage than the "anonymous" GMs and scouts saying crap

so people who are gay have to announce it to the world? if so, for some reason, that is them displaying courage?

strange

He could have gone the "anonymous" route and leaked that there would be a gay athlete in the combine/draft. Like some people have done in other sports.

Instead, he had the guts to put his name to it. And if you think it didn't take courage, look on Twitter and read some things being said, jokes being made, etc.

My point was, he had the balls to openly say it, while these cowards hide behind "anonymous GMs/scouts" and don't have the guts to stand up and say "yeah, I said it"

ajalves wrote:I understand. I do.

then why is it strange?

coming out and being "gay" is a big deal to bigots. Its not a big deal to people who dont care about other peoples sexual preference

personally i love gay people. i use this logic

10 guys, 10 girls

2 guys are gay

8 guys, 10 girls

i just upped my chances of getting a better looking girl.

now you'll say "lesbians!" and i'll counter ignorantly that most are butch so even better numbers!!

jsence2 wrote:
My point was, he had the balls to openly say it, while these cowards hide behind "anonymous GMs/scouts" and don't have the guts to stand up and say "yeah, I said it"

It has nothing to do with guts for the GM and everything to do with having nothing to gain from putting his name on that. What would be 1 good reason to put your name on that quote?

shel311 wrote:

jsence2 wrote:
My point was, he had the balls to openly say it, while these cowards hide behind "anonymous GMs/scouts" and don't have the guts to stand up and say "yeah, I said it"

It has nothing to do with guts for the GM and everything to do with having nothing to gain from putting his name on that. What would be 1 goo reason to put your name on that quote?

But I bet you that same GM, if he's asked publicly, will give the "oh, it will be a great day for the NFL, we accept all people and his sexual preference won't play a role in where he gets drafted", yada yada, politically correct speak, blah blah.

And @ AJ, it shouldn't matter--but the fact is, it does. I could care less. If he's a good football player, he will last. If he's not, he won't.

I'm actually kind of shocked that nobody has asked Tim Tebow what his opinion is

jsence2 wrote:But I bet you that same GM, if he's asked publicly, will give the "oh, it will be a great day for the NFL, we accept all people and his sexual preference won't play a role in where he gets drafted", yada yada, politically correct speak, blah blah.

For the same exact reason I posted above. There is no good reason to given that honest opinion, even if he qualifies it. It'll bring negative attention towards him and his team.

The thing that has really struck me in all this was the interviews with his Missouri teammates. They were talking about how far they went to protect him and how much they respect him. I know it's probably not that way with every single member of the team. In 100 or more guys you're definitely going to have more than 1 or 2 close minded people. But the way they spoke about it was pretty awesome. I have to think that that attitude, strength, and unity is at least one reason Missouri had such a successful season when no one expected anything of them.

LetsGoPeay wrote:The thing that really struck me in all this was the interviews with his Missouri teammates. They were talking about how far they went to protect him and how much they respect him. I know it's probably not that way with every single member of the team. In 100 or more guys you're definitely going to have more than 1 or 2 close minded people. But the way they spoke about it was pretty awesome. I have to think that attitude, strength, and unity is at least one reason Missouri had such a successful season when no one expected anything of them.

100%

shel311 wrote:

jsence2 wrote:
My point was, he had the balls to openly say it, while these cowards hide behind "anonymous GMs/scouts" and don't have the guts to stand up and say "yeah, I said it"

It has nothing to do with guts for the GM and everything to do with having nothing to gain from putting his name on that. What would be 1 good reason to put your name on that quote?

1. being a man and taking responsibility for what you say

LetsGoPeay wrote:The thing that has really struck me in all this was the interviews with his Missouri teammates. They were talking about how far they went to protect him and how much they respect him. I know it's probably not that way with every single member of the team. In 100 or more guys you're definitely going to have more than 1 or 2 close minded people. But the way they spoke about it was pretty awesome. I have to think that that attitude, strength, and unity is at least one reason Missouri had such a successful season when no one expected anything of them.

James Franklin, QB of Mizz told TMZ that he "accepted" his homosexuality but didnt support it.

"I don't drink. I don't curse. I don't support (homosexuality) — but it doesn't mean I don't accept Michael," Franklin was quoted as saying.

"A lot of people confuse supporting and accepting," Franklin added.

Franklin told TMZ that Sam did not cause any disruption.

"Michael respected us. He didn't make us feel uncomfortable in the locker room," Franklin was quoted as saying.

Franklin also made it a point to say he would not shun Sam in the future.

"He can be whoever he wants to be. I'll be there for him no matter what," Franklin told TMZ.

LetsGoPeay wrote:The thing that has really struck me in all this was the interviews with his Missouri teammates. They were talking about how far they went to protect him and how much they respect him. I know it's probably not that way with every single member of the team. In 100 or more guys you're definitely going to have more than 1 or 2 close minded people. But the way they spoke about it was pretty awesome. I have to think that that attitude, strength, and unity is at least one reason Missouri had such a successful season when no one expected anything of them.

As their head coach said, they were all focused on a bigger goal.

nick wrote:

LetsGoPeay wrote:The thing that has really struck me in all this was the interviews with his Missouri teammates. They were talking about how far they went to protect him and how much they respect him. I know it's probably not that way with every single member of the team. In 100 or more guys you're definitely going to have more than 1 or 2 close minded people. But the way they spoke about it was pretty awesome. I have to think that that attitude, strength, and unity is at least one reason Missouri had such a successful season when no one expected anything of them.

James Franklin, QB of Mizz told TMZ that he "accepted" his homosexuality but didnt support it.

"I don't drink. I don't curse. I don't support (homosexuality) — but it doesn't mean I don't accept Michael," Franklin was quoted as saying.

"A lot of people confuse supporting and accepting," Franklin added.

Franklin told TMZ that Sam did not cause any disruption.

"Michael respected us. He didn't make us feel uncomfortable in the locker room," Franklin was quoted as saying.

Franklin also made it a point to say he would not shun Sam in the future.

"He can be whoever he wants to be. I'll be there for him no matter what," Franklin told TMZ.

Exactly. I don't support it either but I have gay friends and I accept them as people. "Hate the sin, love the sinner" mentality.

He's not going to be the first gay player in the NFL, and I doubt he's going to do anything that would make anybody feel uncomfortable. I think what helped him in college was that his teammates got to know him as a person, and figured it out. W the NFL, they're going to know ahead of time and may judge him/shun him without ever getting to know him as a person, and thus "have problems" that are of their own doing.

ajalves wrote:

jsence2 wrote:This kid has more guts and courage than the "anonymous" GMs and scouts saying crap

so people who are gay have to announce it to the world? if so, for some reason, that is them displaying courage?

strange

It's not courage. It's a "look at me. Look at me" thing. I could give a shit less if you are gay. I have gay friends and none of them are the in your face this is my lifestyle type people. I know other people that are gay and are the in your face type people and I don't want to be around them. What you do with your life is your business. I don't want or need to hear about it.

jsence2 wrote: W the NFL, they're going to know ahead of time and may judge him/shun him without ever getting to know him as a person, and thus "have problems" that are of their own doing.

why would they do this?

ya im sure the impending death threats, tens of thousands of gay slurs, and potentially dropping in the draft (even tho youre SEC D player of the year) are good enough reasons to make this a "look at me" type thing

nick wrote:

shel311 wrote:

jsence2 wrote:
My point was, he had the balls to openly say it, while these cowards hide behind "anonymous GMs/scouts" and don't have the guts to stand up and say "yeah, I said it"

It has nothing to do with guts for the GM and everything to do with having nothing to gain from putting his name on that. What would be 1 good reason to put your name on that quote?

1. being a man and taking responsibility for what you say

You realize every single player and coach lie in just about every press conference/interview, right? And it has nothing to do with being a man or taking responsibility for what you say.

ajalves wrote:

jsence2 wrote: W the NFL, they're going to know ahead of time and may judge him/shun him without ever getting to know him as a person, and thus "have problems" that are of their own doing.

why would they do this?

You're right, no NFL players make anti-gay remarks, or say they wouldn't want one as a teammate.