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OracleHCR wrote:You made my point by saying he is using racist anti immigration rhetoric. I can guarantee that you have never heard one of his speeches if you believe that. You've read it on huff post or heard it on msnbc but you've never heard him say it unless it was edited or taken out of context.
And seriously. WTF? All racists are republican? That is the stupidest thing I have ever read. Racism is racism. It doesn't matter if you are black, white, red or yellow. Lines are not drawn by party lines. That last statement you made can be construed as racist as hell. Why would you assume the person sitting at home or selling food stamps is white or black? I looks to me as if you are the one with preconceptions.

What in the world are you talking about? You assumed originally that is what I thought of trump. So i simply asked for you to provide examples of the mis quotes and out of context thing you were describing.

I do not read huff post or watch MSNBC on any kind of frequency that would allow them to shape the opinions I have. On the flip side do you get all ur info from OAN, The blaze, or Rush Limbaugh?

Where did I mention race and assume the person sitting at home living off welfare is black or white?

If you want examples of him being misquoted or taken out of context just google it. You'll get results from huff post, politico, Washington post. Do a little research on each of their so called racist statements and you'll find that what they represent as racist wasn't remotely so.
You seem to want to think I get talking points from certain web sites of news agencies. I don't rely on any one source. I never have. You have such a small world view and think all racists are republican. You live in a bubble.
As far as the welfare statement, weren't you talking about racism? What does that have to do with welfare? I know three times as many white people on welfare than black people. Why would you bring it up unless you had some sort of preconceived notion?

OracleHCR wrote:If you want examples of him being misquoted or taken out of context just google it. You'll get results from huff post, politico, Washington post. Do a little research on each of their so called racist statements and you'll find that what they represent as racist wasn't remotely so.
You seem to want to think I get talking points from certain web sites of news agencies. I don't rely on any one source. I never have. You have such a small world view and think all racists are republican. You live in a bubble.
As far as the welfare statement, weren't you talking about racism? What does that have to do with welfare? I know three times as many white people on welfare than black people. Why would you bring it up unless you had some sort of preconceived notion?

Funny I would say the same thing about yourself, living in a bubble and all as you seem to want to believe I get all news from one source too.

As far as all racist are republican you can believe what you want but its more true then you'd ever admit.

I jumped off racism when dave said there a big world outside everyone's biased narrative. So I jumped to giving examples of people I know using a small world view to form their opinions is all.

Dude. I've lived all around the world. There is racism everywhere and believe it or not most of them aren't republicans. Go to Hawaii and see the racism there. Has nothing to do with black vs white. I'm sure you think the BLM crowd saying kill whitey has nothing to do with racism. Black Panthers? Nope. No racism there. Yeah. There are a lot of white racists who happen to be republican. There are a lot of white democrats who happen to be racists. There are a lot of black republicans or democrats that happen to be racists. Your statement shows just how little you know about the human condition.
You're the worst kind of racist because you don't even know you are one.

Crowes... I'm not sure anyone can take you even a tiny bit serious after trying to stand by that comment. Racism isn't a 1 way street and it's definitely not tied to party lines. I don't think anyone is going to argue that you're more likely to find that a racist white person is Republican, but I can assure you that there are racist white people that are also democrats. You don't think there are racist white people that are in favor of government handouts, legalized marijuana and/or union members that self identify as democrats based on those principles? C'mon man. A little common sense goes a long way.

personally, I don't like to associate myself with 1 party. There are some topics where I may be "left" or some where I may be "right", but I feel that to back a republican, just because they are republican, or to back a democrat just because they are a democrat and I really feel like this helps play into why we still have racism in this country.

We, as Americans, can't just be human.
We always have to have labels. Black, White, Republican, Democrat, Jewish, Italian....etc. and this is what, in my opinion, is dividing our country.

I don't like the 2 party system we use here in America.
What if Donald Trump was just running as Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton was just running as Hillary Clinton....not as Democrat Trump or Republican Clinton.

And crowes, while I respect you, come on man!
Racism doesn't limit itself to a party.

You are missing the point. No one thinks racism limits itself to one party just one party attracts them at a high rate then the others. If you think BLM is a racist movement then your missing the point and are part of the problem and need to get out of your bubble.

We are the ones living in a bubble here, yet your statement is not all Republicans are racist but all racists are Republican?

How are we missing the point?
What point is there to miss? Your statement is pretty clear. You are saying that all racists are Republican and that the Republican party attracts them more.

People have replied that we don't agree and you still continue to blame us saying we don't know.
Maybe where you live and the experiences you have had, this is true, but that doesn't mean it is this way everywhere.

The_Niddler wrote:We are the ones living in a bubble here, yet your statement is not all Republicans are racist but all racists are Republican?

How are we missing the point?
What point is there to miss? Your statement is pretty clear. You are saying that all racists are Republican and that the Republican party attracts them more.

People have replied that we don't agree and you still continue to blame us saying we don't know.
Maybe where you live and the experiences you have had, this is true, but that doesn't mean it is this way everywhere.

You're a racist for that comment, how can you not see his point?

The_Niddler wrote:We are the ones living in a bubble here, yet your statement is not all Republicans are racist but all racists are Republican?

How are we missing the point?
What point is there to miss? Your statement is pretty clear. You are saying that all racists are Republican and that the Republican party attracts them more.

People have replied that we don't agree and you still continue to blame us saying we don't know.
Maybe where you live and the experiences you have had, this is true, but that doesn't mean it is this way everywhere.

Im pretty sure i've went back a clarified that of coarse not all are Republicans. The point that is being missed is that right now the party of hate is the republicans. When you allow your candidates to go to events hosted by KKK members or religious zealots who advocate the killing of gays. You can not say that racists or bigots don't have home in your party. They might have not been out front but they were allowed to stay in the house and that is damning enough. Your party pushed voting restrictions that affect minority voters disproportional. If republicans really were the fiscally conservative party that they claim to be I'd vote red to but those guys have now been overran with the worst of the party.

“Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.”-Hillary R. Clinton. Jan. 28, 2010
You might want to look up who Robert Byrd was.

OracleHCR wrote:“Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.”-Hillary R. Clinton. Jan. 28, 2010
You might want to look up who Robert Byrd was.

I know who he is racist Senator from West Virgina .... Your point is...... You dont have monopoly on history just cause your old Yes democrats were the racist side during the civil rights era.

He wasn't just a racist senator. He was a leader in the kkk and by her own admission, a mentor to her. You point the finger at republicans calling them the party of hate and ignore the three fingers pointing back in your direction. Try disagreeing with a far left liberal and feel the visceral hate that they'll heap upon you. The dems call themselves the party of tolerance. They only tolerate as long as you agree with them.
The difference between you and a person with common sense is that you point at the fringe aspects of the Republican Party and associate the whole party with them. I look at the fringe of the Democratic Party and say wow, those guys are loons.

Crowes wrote: You dont have monopoly on history just cause your old

Low blow. Come on man. 50 is the new 30.

OracleHCR wrote:He wasn't just a racist senator. He was a leader in the kkk and by her own admission, a mentor to her. You point the finger at republicans calling them the party of hate and ignore the three fingers pointing back in your direction. Try disagreeing with a far left liberal and feel the visceral hate that they'll heap upon you. The dems call themselves the party of tolerance. They only tolerate as long as you agree with them.
The difference between you and a person with common sense is that you point at the fringe aspects of the Republican Party and associate the whole party with them. I look at the fringe of the Democratic Party and say wow, those guys are loons.

But the big difference is that the fringe has took over the republicans. The two candidates that have any shot and being the nominee Trump or Cruz do not appeal to the moderate/sane part of the party but yet are gonna the leader of the party.

OracleHCR wrote:

Crowes wrote: You dont have monopoly on history just cause your old

Low blow. Come on man. 50 is the new 30.

I just turned 30 so I hope ur right man cause im starting to feel old

What is Bernie Sanders? He ran as a socialist to win his senate position. Is that what the Democratic Party is now?

OracleHCR wrote:What is Bernie Sanders? He ran as a socialist to win his senate position. Is that what the Democratic Party is now?

To me the far left fringe would be like the hardcore green peace type peeps. And as far as Bernie goes I hope so! We dont want Cuba or other south america socialism that you guys like to bring up as examples of how socialism is doomed to fail we want the Denmark's and Norway's blueprint of socialism that still have a strong market economy and strong social saftey net. Which I dont think is even socialism since I dont think the government controls all aspects of the economy. But I could be wrong

They are taxed out of their minds. Those countries also have less people living in them than New York City. They are like a suburb. They also have a higher percent of people contributing to the economy. The United States is just too damn big with too many people for that model to work.

I was reading about socialism in those countries just maybe a week ago. From what I recall, it's not as great and rosy as it seems. It was back in the 70s, but not as much any more. And the 2 or 3 articles I read all agreed that it worked not because of the culture of those countries, which are different than ours.