Until he gets caught smoking weed, ie Walter Thurmond and Brandon Browner...DRiccio21 wrote:plenty of guys drink and do drugs. plenty of guys drink and do drugs before games and nights before games.
if a guy is productive, I don't care what he does.
im 100% in this group with you. I just feel, and its a recent feeling, that the QB position is where you want that 1 "straight edge" person.DRiccio21 wrote:plenty of guys drink and do drugs. plenty of guys drink and do drugs before games and nights before games.
if a guy is productive, I don't care what he does.
ReignOnU wrote:At the defense of Manziel... that tweet was blown way out of proportion. Certainly, he shouldn't have made it, or at least worded it differently, but the events leading up to it were pretty silly.
nick wrote:im 100% in this group with you. I just feel, and its a recent feeling, that the QB position is where you want that 1 "straight edge" person.DRiccio21 wrote:plenty of guys drink and do drugs. plenty of guys drink and do drugs before games and nights before games.
if a guy is productive, I don't care what he does.
Manning, brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Brees.
when you think these names I dont think party animal comes to mind.
you're living in a fantasy land to fit your own narrative.xLiQx wrote: exactly...and these guys will never be out prepared or worked in the NFL, you never hear bad things about them, and they sure in the fuck aren't out partying every night and making stupid "tweets". There is a reason why they continue to win.
DRiccio21 wrote:you're living in a fantasy land to fit your own narrative.xLiQx wrote: exactly...and these guys will never be out prepared or worked in the NFL, you never hear bad things about them, and they sure in the fuck aren't out partying every night and making stupid "tweets". There is a reason why they continue to win.
most of them aren't going out partying or making stupid tweets cause they are 35 yr old married men. like most of us aren't.
at 22 or 23 I'm sure they were out partying and making less educated and informed decisions (on some level), just like most of us did.
there are guys who go out and get fucked up at night and are horrible teammates who play incredible and there are guys who stay home and study film all night and drink milk and eat carrots who suck on game day. we create this fictitious world of superheros... these guys are no different than we are, whether you want to believe that or not. Johnny's play on the field is all that matters and answers all the questions about his preparation or lack of.
Not being a dick, but I am tremendously shocked that this is your attitude on this. That said, I agree whole heartedly.DRiccio21 wrote:i don't want my kid following any of these guys... i'll handle my unborn son when he needs someone to look up to.
as for quarterbacking my football team, yeah i'll take the guy who won a Heisman one year and is probably a finalist the next.
whether he can or will produce in the NFL is yet to be seen, if he can, i'll take him in the NFL as well. if he can't I wouldn't want him. what he does in his private life means nothing.
nothing matters other than production and given football is a team sport, his offenses production. he can be high and his teammates can hate his guts for all I care if he is winning games. you can have Tebow and his leadership and his lack of production and i'll take a great QB who produces and does crack.
we get far too emotional about these guys like we're watching a movie about their lives cause we have access to snippets of their lives thru twitter. he's a football player... how he plays football is all that matters.
+1DRiccio21 wrote:i don't want my kid following any of these guys... i'll handle my unborn son when he needs someone to look up to.
as for quarterbacking my football team, yeah i'll take the guy who won a Heisman one year and is probably a finalist the next.
whether he can or will produce in the NFL is yet to be seen, if he can, i'll take him in the NFL as well. if he can't I wouldn't want him. what he does in his private life means nothing.
nothing matters other than production and given football is a team sport, his offenses production. he can be high and his teammates can hate his guts for all I care if he is winning games. you can have Tebow and his leadership and his lack of production and i'll take a great QB who produces and does crack.
we get far too emotional about these guys like we're watching a movie about their lives cause we have access to snippets of their lives thru twitter. he's a football player... how he plays football is all that matters.
nick wrote:in the last 25 years, QBs who won the heisman have 1 total win in the NFL playoffs (Tebow).. some food for thought.
So you wouldn't take Winston if you were drafting, right?xLiQx wrote:nick wrote:in the last 25 years, QBs who won the heisman have 1 total win in the NFL playoffs (Tebow).. some food for thought.
Exactly..you will take a guy that "produces" over offield things eh? Well lets see how that works out for you...or people in the past, you might be able to go out and find Jarmacus Russell to head your franchise? Johnny can back him up?
Even if the charges are dropped, that sure doesn't sound like a guy you want leading your team. Then if he wins the Heisman, double whammy!!!!nick wrote:i dunno if its been cleared but isnt Winston potentially a rapist?
DRiccio21 wrote:i don't want my kid following any of these guys... i'll handle my unborn son when he needs someone to look up to.
as for quarterbacking my football team, yeah i'll take the guy who won a Heisman one year and is probably a finalist the next.
whether he can or will produce in the NFL is yet to be seen, if he can, i'll take him in the NFL as well. if he can't I wouldn't want him. what he does in his private life means nothing.
nothing matters other than production and given football is a team sport, his offenses production. he can be high and his teammates can hate his guts for all I care if he is winning games. you can have Tebow and his leadership and his lack of production and i'll take a great QB who produces and does crack.
we get far too emotional about these guys like we're watching a movie about their lives cause we have access to snippets of their lives thru twitter. he's a football player... how he plays football is all that matters.
You could argue Big Ben..but look where he is now...In todays NFL, that would be a big mistake, because what good is a great QB when he is suspended?DRiccio21 wrote:nothing matters other than production and given football is a team sport, his offenses production. he can be high and his teammates can hate his guts for all I care if he is winning games. you can have Tebow and his leadership and his lack of production and i'll take a great QB who produces and does crack.
brwnbear wrote:what do you do with a guy like Cutler? Really good production but disliked by teamates and cant seem to win?DRiccio21 wrote:his teammates can hate his guts for all I care if he is winning games. you can have Tebow and his leadership and his lack of production and i'll take a great QB who produces and does crack.
