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Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:03 am**

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:40 pm Military will be one of the first as well. I wouldn't opt to take it until at least 2026 when I turn 50 and there are more studies of any side effects that could come up down the road.

I doubt you're going to get much of a real choice to not take it when available. Insurance companies I'm sure won't cover anyone for anything COVID-related if you passed on the vaccine.

I don't think I'm at risk either, but I'm sure as heck not opening myself up to a huge medical bill if it's reasonably proven to be safe

That oughta get plenty of folks taking it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:59 am**

ReignOnU wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:51 am
nick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:55 am its funny cause the long term side effects to this is immunity to viruses which could have us live longer/healthier lives.. most older ppl die due to petty colds/flus (like covid).. we eliminate them and people are living to 90+ and to 50-70 in much better shape..

you know what, if you dont want the vaccine dont get it. Thats some beta shit
Beating up homeless guys... Alpha As Fuck!

in 5 years when we look back on this discussion, it'll be pretty clear that beating up a homeless crackhead was less stupid than not taking a simple vaccine.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:40 am**

jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:03 am
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:40 pm Military will be one of the first as well. I wouldn't opt to take it until at least 2026 when I turn 50 and there are more studies of any side effects that could come up down the road.
I doubt you're going to get much of a real choice to not take it when available. Insurance companies I'm sure won't cover anyone for anything COVID-related if you passed on the vaccine.

I don't think I'm at risk either, but I'm sure as heck not opening myself up to a huge medical bill if it's reasonably proven to be safe

That oughta get plenty of folks taking it.

But they cover flu relates hospitalizations even if someone doesn't take the flu vaccine.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:34 am**

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:40 am
jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:03 am
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:40 pm Military will be one of the first as well. I wouldn't opt to take it until at least 2026 when I turn 50 and there are more studies of any side effects that could come up down the road.
I doubt you're going to get much of a real choice to not take it when available. Insurance companies I'm sure won't cover anyone for anything COVID-related if you passed on the vaccine.

I don't think I'm at risk either, but I'm sure as heck not opening myself up to a huge medical bill if it's reasonably proven to be safe

That oughta get plenty of folks taking it.
But they cover flu relates hospitalizations even if someone doesn't take the flu vaccine.

Do I really need to explain why that's the case or do we just want to forget that your counterargument was to make it akin to a flu?

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:42 am**

Happy Birthday Covid!

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:22 pm**

jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:34 am
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:40 am
jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:03 am
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:40 pm Military will be one of the first as well. I wouldn't opt to take it until at least 2026 when I turn 50 and there are more studies of any side effects that could come up down the road.
I doubt you're going to get much of a real choice to not take it when available. Insurance companies I'm sure won't cover anyone for anything COVID-related if you passed on the vaccine.

I don't think I'm at risk either, but I'm sure as heck not opening myself up to a huge medical bill if it's reasonably proven to be safe

That oughta get plenty of folks taking it.
But they cover flu relates hospitalizations even if someone doesn't take the flu vaccine.
Do I really need to explain why that's the case or do we just want to forget that your counterargument was to make it akin to a flu?

Not comparing it to covid. You brought up that insurance companies may not cover your illness due to covid because you didn't take the shot. I can say tetnus or pneumonia or any other vaccine out there instead of the flu vaccine and my counterpoint still stands

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:18 pm**

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:22 pm
jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:34 am
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:40 am
jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:03 am
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:40 pm Military will be one of the first as well. I wouldn't opt to take it until at least 2026 when I turn 50 and there are more studies of any side effects that could come up down the road.
I doubt you're going to get much of a real choice to not take it when available. Insurance companies I'm sure won't cover anyone for anything COVID-related if you passed on the vaccine.

I don't think I'm at risk either, but I'm sure as heck not opening myself up to a huge medical bill if it's reasonably proven to be safe

That oughta get plenty of folks taking it.
But they cover flu relates hospitalizations even if someone doesn't take the flu vaccine.
Do I really need to explain why that's the case or do we just want to forget that your counterargument was to make it akin to a flu?
Not comparing it to covid. You brought up that insurance companies may not cover your illness due to covid because you didn't take the shot. I can say tetnus or pneumonia or any other vaccine out there instead of the flu vaccine and my counterpoint still stands

Ok, we'll do the dance

1. Flu is annual, Covid isn't thus far or hopefully ever. So right of the bat you'd have an administrative cost to determining when the last flu vaccination was, etc that I'm sure would be a cost for the insurance companies. Heck, I'm sure if it made them more money, they would do a similar thing with the flu but my guess is the $ doesn't add up

2. Not all flu seasons are alike. This we know, and thusly not all vaccinations are as effective. Another factor

3. Obviously, there is the magnitude of COVID. The regular flu kills between 12-60k annually, thus far we're at 247k for COVID and it isn't even winter yet. Even if you think those COVID numbers are inflated by a factor of doubled, that means COVID already has killed between 200%-1000% an annual flu season - and again, we aren't even at where the numbers will really go - we're just seeing that. All of those extra cases, from medications, to hospitalizations and so on are costs for the insurance company. So it's SIGNIFICANTLY more important to them that as many people are vaccinated as possible compared to the regular flu.

I can probably think of more, but if you can't see why the COVID case for insurance companies is a whole different beast than the flu, I don't think there are words that can make you understand it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:54 pm**

You aren't getting the point. You focus on me saying flu. I can say any other vaccine and my point still stands

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:22 pm**

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:54 pm You aren't getting the point. You focus on me saying flu. I can say any other vaccine and my point still stands

I think you may be missing his point. There is no vaccine that you can opt out of that's doing the damage covid is doing in the united states so there is no comparison.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:29 pm**

Crowes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:22 pm
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:54 pm You aren't getting the point. You focus on me saying flu. I can say any other vaccine and my point still stands
I think you may be missing his point. There is no vaccine that you can opt out of that's doing the damage covid is doing in the united states so there is no comparison.

He was hypothesizing that insurance companies wouldn't pay for COVID related illnesses. I don't think that's the case, as other illnesses that have vaccines are not being denied insurance payments because they didn't take the vaccine. It has nothing to do with covid or how bad you believe it is or not, it was stated that I wouldn't have a choice but to take it because insurance companies won't pay for your bills due to covid. Precedence has been set with all the other things we are vaccinated for.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:46 pm**

Yeah if you think anything COVID is going to care about precedence, you're out of your mind. My kids literally haven't been to school since March - where's the precedence for that?

If you don't want to agree/believe me, that's fine, I give no shits - but watch - insurance for COVID related bills is going to be predicated on you taking the vaccine or not (assuming you've had the opportunity to, obviously and I'm sure there will be a select few waiver/special cases).

But it's not going to be "No, I don't wanna take it because Jenny McCarthy said vaccines make me grow a 2nd nose and poop meatballs", then you get sick, then the insurance is all "Oh well, we'll just foot this 100k bill because this one didn't wanna"

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:51 pm**

jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:46 pm - but watch - insurance for COVID related bills is going to be predicated on you taking the vaccine or not

So when does this start? 2023? I'm guessing by then everyone should have a chance to take it if they want

You gonna come back and admit you were wrong? I will.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:04 pm**

I fully expect a braclet/app system that ppl who got the vaccine will be able to live normal lives while others won’t be allowed in stores and such. Why would any business wanna risk it when ppl are too stupid to take an effective vaccine?

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:04 pm**

Californians are not allowed to have weddings or bury loved ones in proper funerals but lawmakers are going to travel to a luxury resort in Maui for a four-day legislative conference.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:47 pm**

nick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:04 pm I fully expect a braclet/app system that ppl who got the vaccine will be able to live normal lives while others won’t be allowed in stores and such. Why would any business wanna risk it when ppl are too stupid to take an effective vaccine?

There is less than a 0.0% chance of it happening

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 pm**

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:51 pm
jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:46 pm - but watch - insurance for COVID related bills is going to be predicated on you taking the vaccine or not
So when does this start? 2023? I'm guessing by then everyone should have a chance to take it if they want

You gonna come back and admit you were wrong? I will.

FWIW I'm only posting in a ticked-off manner because I think you know better than to be so dense to think that there isn't going to be a HAMMER that forces people to take the vaccine. I think you're smarter than that.

When will it happen? No idea - lots of ducks to get in rows before that could be accurately prognosticated by a layman such as myself. I'm sure a lot of it hinges on the true amount of people not taking the vaccine willingly. If the vaccine is out and 50% of people are passing on it? My guess is swiftly.

I'm just hunching that the HAMMER is going to be the insurance companies, in part because they have the most to gain financially in ensuring as many people as possible get vaccinated. If they seem hunky dory with people not taking it, I'll own up to my hunch being wrong. I've never had a problem admitting being incorrect before, not my style

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:20 pm**

shel311 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:04 pm
Californians are not allowed to have weddings or bury loved ones in proper funerals but lawmakers are going to travel to a luxury resort in Maui for a four-day legislative conference.

My governor (california) also gets to go to the nicest restaurant in the world with as many people as he wants, but I'm supposed to not have family over for Thanksgiving.

He also gets to find a school in the state that he's allowed to be open, so his kids can go to it. Mine haven't since March.

At this point it's not IF our overlords break their own rules, it's just how much they flaunt that they can and there's nothing we can do about it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:50 pm**

GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:47 pm
nick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:04 pm I fully expect a braclet/app system that ppl who got the vaccine will be able to live normal lives while others won’t be allowed in stores and such. Why would any business wanna risk it when ppl are too stupid to take an effective vaccine?
There is less than a 0.0% chance of it happening

theres also a less than 0.0% chance that u dont get the vaccine so its a moot point.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:51 pm**

jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:20 pm
shel311 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:04 pm
Californians are not allowed to have weddings or bury loved ones in proper funerals but lawmakers are going to travel to a luxury resort in Maui for a four-day legislative conference.

My governor (california) also gets to go to the nicest restaurant in the world with as many people as he wants, but I'm supposed to not have family over for Thanksgiving.

He also gets to find a school in the state that he's allowed to be open, so his kids can go to it. Mine haven't since March.

At this point it's not IF our overlords break their own rules, it's just how much they flaunt that they can and there's nothing we can do about it.

California is an absolute mess. Stop sending your people to Texas. Thanks.

Posted: **Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:00 pm**

jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 pm
GeorgesGoons wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:51 pm
jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:46 pm - but watch - insurance for COVID related bills is going to be predicated on you taking the vaccine or not
So when does this start? 2023? I'm guessing by then everyone should have a chance to take it if they want

You gonna come back and admit you were wrong? I will.
FWIW I'm only posting in a ticked-off manner because I think you know better than to be so dense to think that there isn't going to be a HAMMER that forces people to take the vaccine. I think you're smarter than that.

I get it, but I don't see what you are seeing. Maybe it's the left leaning media culture (california) you live in compared to the right leaning culture (midwest) that I live in. But as soon as you think that it's okay that the government forces people to do things against their will we start to live in a 3rd world country. And I know that's not what you want (I hope). I know I don't want that as I have lived in those countries before and saw first hand the devastation it can bring upon it's people.

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