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OracleHCR wrote:That's just it. People tend to ignore his lies. And when they say Romney lies, which he didn't, he was pretty spot on all night, people shout from the rafters.
Smoke and mirrors. If you say it enough people will believe it. baah baah baah little sheep.

Wait wait wait...

You're not being serious, are you? You're saying republicans don't ignore Romney's lies?

You're calling me or whoever the "little sheep" while thinking this is a one sided issue LOL.

I'm saying this guy lied to you for 4 years and you ignore it. Then you yell from the rafters how Romney lies.

shel311 wrote:

OracleHCR wrote:The thing about third parties is that you really are throwing your vote away. I do believe you should vote your conscience and if you truly support one of the other candidates then you should vote for him. In the end, it is going to be wasted though. Maybe down the road but not in the near future.

While true in the literal sense(though I'm not sure I'd say it's wasted, but I get what you're saying) and definitely the short term, I know I'm speaking the obvious, but if everyone collectively thinks this way then the 2 party system will never be challenged.

What you both said if true without a doubt. I've only voted for a major party presidential candidate once and it was because I so strongly wanted to get rid of the incumbent.

I look at voting as a powerful form of peaceful protest. It's our chance as Americans to peacefully and legally stage a revolution every four years. But as long as the two party system and the "unassociated but associated" powers behind it remain, the people's power to actually change our government to something that may better suit the needs of our country as a whole now and in the future is effectively zero. The Democrats and Republicans like to appear as if they are good and evil and vice versa but the fact of the matter is the it really doesn't matter which party is going to be in power. Our government and economy are monstrously huge entities and it will take more than four to eight years and one or two presidents and congresses to change what's going on. To affect that type of change in a realistic timespan would require a complete change in thinking and policy. That won't happen as long as the two main parties are calling each other names and saying it's all each other's fault when really it's both of their faults. So I'll just continue throwing away my vote and hopelessly hoping that my one vote can actually be the one that causes a change.

Obama stepped his game up last night and came out swinging

Romney still has amazing hair

And I don't care what you say,that was good tv

It comes down to who lies less and what Obama has done the last 4 years isn't exactly wonderful. Not to mention Obamacare is an Obamination....eh eh???

Shiftdnb wrote:

OracleHCR wrote:

shel311 wrote:

LetsGoPeay wrote:Debates are just another form of scripted reality TV. If you let this change the way you vote, you don't need to be voting.

But but Obama said something about some terror attacks and that is very important to which candidate will do a better job over the next 4 years!!!!!

I saw him lie about calling the attack in Libya a terror attack. Then I saw the moderator back his lie which she shouldn't have done. It was a lie. A flat out lie. He didn't call it a terror attack for 2 weeks. I watched the address in the Rose Garden the next day. He said it was a response to that video and so did the rest of the White House staff.

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z29YhL7slJ

OracleHCR wrote:If you say it enough people will believe it. baah baah baah little sheep.

You can quote that all you want. He never said it was a terror attack. He said it was a response to the video on Youtube. 14 days later on The View he was asked if it was a terror attack and he said he didn't know.

Cnasty wrote:Obama stepped his game up last night and came out swinging

Romney still has amazing hair

And I don't care what you say,that was good tv

It comes down to who lies less and what Obama has done the last 4 years isn't exactly wonderful. Not to mention Obamacare is an Obamination....eh eh???

He did come out swinging and he looked angry at points. I think he did well. I don't think it was a slam dunk like some people are saying around here but I did give him the edge.

Agreed. He won but I think Romney held his ground most of the way.

Not sure why that moderator was siding with anyone as that's not moderating.

I thought better questions could have been asked by that group but it's not like they would have answered them anyways

OracleHCR wrote:I'm saying this guy lied to you for 4 years and you ignore it. Then you yell from the rafters how Romney lies.

Build that strawman argument. Build it!!!

Cnasty wrote:Obama stepped his game up last night and came out swinging

Romney still has amazing hair

And I don't care what you say,that was good tv

It comes down to who lies less and what Obama has done the last 4 years isn't exactly wonderful. Not to mention Obamacare is an Obamination....eh eh???

It was literally the worst thing on TV last night

shel311 wrote:
It was literally the worst thing on TV last night

Meh, I watched some local programming that taught me how to make pumpkin shaped stuffed peppers. Terrible lighting and audio made it rough

Weasel wrote:

shel311 wrote:
It was literally the worst thing on TV last night

Meh, I watched some local programming that taught me how to make pumpkin shaped stuffed peppers. Terrible lighting and audio made it rough

why dont you just watch tv on firstrowsports? they have live streaming american channels and stuff too that you can watch as well as the sports. Connect your computer to the TV instead of your monitor and stream it. quality might be a little less than perfect but better than PBS or whatever youre watching now

Weasel wrote:

shel311 wrote:
It was literally the worst thing on TV last night

Meh, I watched some local programming that taught me how to make pumpkin shaped stuffed peppers. Terrible lighting and audio made it rough

nick wrote:

Weasel wrote:

shel311 wrote:
It was literally the worst thing on TV last night

Meh, I watched some local programming that taught me how to make pumpkin shaped stuffed peppers. Terrible lighting and audio made it rough

why dont you just watch tv on firstrowsports? they have live streaming american channels and stuff too that you can watch as well as the sports. Connect your computer to the TV instead of your monitor and stream it. quality might be a little less than perfect but better than PBS or whatever youre watching now

Had the Tigers on the radio, plus I was reading.

Weasel wrote: Had the Tigers on the radio, plus I was reading.

Who were you babysitting?

this is more of a race than i originally thought, but the answers about gun control and abortions from Romney were just so bad.

Will be very surprised if Obama doesn't win

Obama is a shoe in in my opinion.

America doesn't trust rich white guys

OracleHCR wrote:That's just it. People tend to ignore his lies. And when they say Romney lies, which he didn't, he was pretty spot on all night, people shout from the rafters.
Smoke and mirrors. If you say it enough people will believe it. baah baah baah little sheep.

BIG O YOUR MAN CAN'T DO THE MATH, ON HIS TAXES? AND THAT "BINDERS OF WOMEN " SHIT WAS REALLY RETARDED COMING FROM A MAN OF HIS FAITH (I'M THINKING OF THE HBO SHOW CALLED BIG LOVE) ORACLE YOU ARE THE MAN , BUT YOUR PARTY PICKED A IDIOT. A SNAKE OIL SALESMAN AT BEST. YOU JUST CAN'T TRUST MITT ROMNEY OR PAUL RYAN ON ANY THING. THEY LIE PERIOD! I DO WANT TO THANK MITT ROMNEY FOR BRINGING UP THE 47 PCT FIRST LAST NIGHT AT THE END OF THE DEBATE, OBAMA SPANKED HIM ONE MORE TIME. LOLOLOL. I KEPT SEEING THAT CLIP FROM ANIMAL HOUSE WITH ROMNEY SAYING TO OBAMA ,THANK YOU SIR CAN I HAVE ANOTHER!!!!!

Cnasty wrote:Obama is a shoe in in my opinion.

America doesn't trust rich white guys

no one trusts rich white guys

LetsGoPeay wrote:

shel311 wrote:

OracleHCR wrote:The thing about third parties is that you really are throwing your vote away. I do believe you should vote your conscience and if you truly support one of the other candidates then you should vote for him. In the end, it is going to be wasted though. Maybe down the road but not in the near future.

While true in the literal sense(though I'm not sure I'd say it's wasted, but I get what you're saying) and definitely the short term, I know I'm speaking the obvious, but if everyone collectively thinks this way then the 2 party system will never be challenged.

What you both said if true without a doubt. I've only voted for a major party presidential candidate once and it was because I so strongly wanted to get rid of the incumbent.

I look at voting as a powerful form of peaceful protest. It's our chance as Americans to peacefully and legally stage a revolution every four years. But as long as the two party system and the "unassociated but associated" powers behind it remain, the people's power to actually change our government to something that may better suit the needs of our country as a whole now and in the future is effectively zero. The Democrats and Republicans like to appear as if they are good and evil and vice versa but the fact of the matter is the it really doesn't matter which party is going to be in power. Our government and economy are monstrously huge entities and it will take more than four to eight years and one or two presidents and congresses to change what's going on. To affect that type of change in a realistic timespan would require a complete change in thinking and policy. That won't happen as long as the two main parties are calling each other names and saying it's all each other's fault when really it's both of their faults. So I'll just continue throwing away my vote and hopelessly hoping that my one vote can actually be the one that causes a change.

impose TERM LIMITS for the house and senate and this should change right? I would think so. Why there are not term limits at every level of the government is beyond me. Why not have it the same as a president's. 4 years and rerun. Or even give one in office 6 years and then they are done no matter what

DRiccio21 wrote:

Weasel wrote: Had the Tigers on the radio, plus I was reading.

Who were you babysitting?

Baseball on the radio is sublime.