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huskerskev84 wrote:Probably a stupid question, but where do we turn this on?
No, it is not stupid. I don't even know what it is let alone where you toggle the feature.

The feature is attached to your profile as explained to me.

To set it up and attach to your profile. Just go into season showdown on the main menu. There it will allow you to pick the team you would like to represent, as well as give you a short video tutorial on the feature.
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nick wrote:
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huskerskev84 wrote:Probably a stupid question, but where do we turn this on?
No, it is not stupid. I don't even know what it is let alone where you toggle the feature.
if im not mistaken, are people complainign about jumping the snap? Heres the solution: fake hut.

well enlightened one how do you know your oppentent is jumping the snap if we cant see the game telling us....
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NO NICK..its not about using jump the snap OR play the pass(this is well established that these are ok) its about allowing one person to see if you did it while the other can not..

Why would anyone play with Season Showdown Intentionally OFF, if it is not to create an advantage?

I know some of us dont have it off on purpose..("you'll have to excuse my friends, they are a little slow".. :lol: )..Im just finding myself looking at it like a lobby tactic and losing respect for guess that have it off..Even though you may be a str8 player.
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I am REALLY confused here. Who says that the "user jump snap" doesn't show up when not on Season Showdown?? This is 100% wrong. This whole thread is useless because it's not even accurate (no offense steam ;) )
Having Season Showdown OFF gives no advantage whatsoever.
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If thats the case then my bad....maybe the guys ive played not only didnt have their Season showdown on but never used anything either...but we need to find out for sure...I so my fault though... but im not so sure :roll:


After further review...YOU are both right and wrong...user jump snap comes up but no KEYS...runs or PASS...anything that would reward points for... Still not an even playing field in my mind..

Seems to me that you are gonna be giving someone a reason to dock your play, if you use play pass and have season showdown on. So you should turn it off. OR you could be an honest person and let people know what you are calling and let them judge for themselves with it on.
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Yeah we need to test this because it could be a problem. What I think steam roller is saying is if season showdown is off and you guess run the other player will never know because it never awards points.

I will test this out tonight. Could be huge
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I have used this stuff in 1 game, I hate it! Sure if used in moderation its a little better...But when you face a coach that ends up with 75 strategy points..Thats GAY! Or dont use it in the 1st half and be losing, then use the hell out of them in the 2nd...Not Fun.

But I say keep it on...at least let me know what gimmick Im getting the hell beat out of me with...So I can return the favor.
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see, I am really getting confused about the play pass feature. I don't do anything else, jump snap, play run, etc. This is a pass heavy game and I feel the play pass feature gives you some sense of security with your pass defense. If it is 3rd and long or you been passing like its going out of style, why would play pass be docked if I use it more often than not? I will tell you this, all my strgedy is left on blue, except big run I usually put it on conservative to combat fumbles, but I do like to use the pass play feature. Is this wrong?
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OK, still confused...isn't key run now against the rules? Also, I don't need a pop up on the bottom of the screen to let me know that my opponent is breaking the rules..it is VERY obvious when the key run is called. As far as the key pass...this isn't against the rules so is it really a big deal? You should NOT dock points for key pass anyway. So if those are the only things that show, I would think you're better off not having it on.

Not sure why this is even an issue, but then maybe I'm not expecting guys to play like cheese ;)
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I could somewhat understand jump snap but when steamy is saying play pass as well, it has me confused why this would even be a problem.
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Are you guys saying that being able to see if you oppenent plays the pass or how often he does is not an advantage? And also as you can see by the tone of ANK's post(im sure hes not alone in his thoughts-no one is alone in a league this big) do you think you are more likely to get docked on your coaches report if you oppenent see's your strategy points vs not seeing?

Its just more fishy/and less up front to play with it off...
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Mine is always on
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Re: Season Showdown..ON or OFF

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OK, let me get this straight...

You are saying that if a guy is playing with Season Showdown ON, then he can see if a guy choose play pass (all other things are pointless because play run is a rule breaker and everything else shows up, ON or OFF)

If a guys is playing with it OFF, then he cannot.

Does this mean that if one guys doesn't have it on then they both cannot see, or just the guy who has it off? Or is it that if one guy has it off, then neither can see?

Just wondering because if it either of those, then who cares because the guy who has it off doesn't care, or either they both can't see so it's even.

Again, not really seeing how this is even an issue. Maybe still confused?

Again, not sure

P.S. docking points for seeing or not seeing is rediculous. This isn't even an area to dock points for.... :?
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pounddarock wrote: This isn't even an area to dock points for.... :?
Not to say I m docking points or anything.. But there is an area to dock anything and anyone.

How many times have I seen ppl doc points for the following.. or found a place to doc them ..

Runs up the middle to much, passes to quick, passes to much or runs too much, blitzes too much, too much zone, too much man, throws to his rb too much, goes deep too much, runs too many toss plays, runs with qb when there is no pressure and I sit in my zone ..

Yada yada yada, 120 guys everyones idea of sim is not same .. everyones idea of moderation is not the same..

Steam is just stating that if one can be seen and the other cant that he feels that it is more upfront to play with showdown on. That way just like, throwing quick passes, throwing long, throwing short, running dives, running tosses.. playin man, playing zone, blitzing what ever coaches choose to do and we can see.

What is there to hide in allowing the other coach to see the stragedies selected whether is just your occassinal play the pass, if it is not something that excessively selected or what have you..

Now I go on the record of saying I dont know what features, can and can not be seen dependin on showdown on and off and on both players ..

Also key pass is in a way no different then a few years ago on ps2 commit pass, and you better believe while never banned from use, people did doc pts on coaching scores if you commited pass every time.
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Steamrollr22 wrote:Why would anyone play with Season Showdown Intentionally OFF, if it is not to create an advantage?
Because I don't even know what it is, that seems to be a good enough answer for me, lol.
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Dolemitesooner wrote:Yeah we need to test this because it could be a problem. What I think steam roller is saying is if season showdown is off and you guess run the other player will never know because it never awards points.
I'm not sure how one wouldn't notice an ENTIRE front 7 going straight towards the center, or ALL 7 darting to the right side of the field.

It's so obvious, you really can't miss it.
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Pound...what I think he is saying (might be wrong) is to turn it on...so you can see what you opp. is using. Like if he uses play the pass...when its effective it shows play the pass. If he guesses the run...it shows up guess the run.
Although this is the NDL..you still might have someone using the guess the run tactic...With it ON it will show you what gimmick is being used.
That way when we do the coaches report we DONT have to guess if we was being cheesed or not. We will have the strategy notes to let us know for sure.

Like I said I dont even know if that is what he means...but I for one would rather a note at the bottom of the screen telling if someone guessed the run...rather them me falsely accusing someone of something they didnt do and me not be good enough at the game to tell the difference.
So with it on it covers everyone's else on coaching reports.

Plus like Shell said...I dont know even where to turn them off.
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where is this option to play with it on or off at?

I don't use it. if we did use it , it wouldn't effect the way I play. I don't use the L2 guess pass option anyway. ill trust my instincts on guessing on a pass/run play. guess I've been guessing wrong a lot looking at the way my defense plays of late. :lol:
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Re: Season Showdown..ON or OFF

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LOL..it just sounds like guys are confused period. So let's say that Player 1 has this Season Showdown (SS) OFF. Then both players cannot see if his opponent called any keys (L2+Right Stick: key run/pass) So how is this an advantage/disadvantage?

Also, I'm 100% with shel...there is NO mistake if a guy used the key run and breaking the rules is a huge dock in points for that matter.

So again, I see this thread as pointless as far as SS ON vs OFF.

Now 6feet brought up a totally unrelated point that I always intrigues me and that will never change with some guys. I always assume I'm giving straight 5's unless I see either a rule broken or something used in excess and not moderation. From what I've heard on these boards, the key pass isn't that effective (I wouldn't know because I've never tried it) There's no way that is the same as the commit stick..that was way over done and nobody ever seemed to use it.
Another question: So as far as a guy trying to key pass all game, won't that hurt him against the running game? And if a guy is against a team that is all pass (say texas tech), shouldn't he be keying on the pass as much as possible?

I guess I'm just not seeing the connection here as to why we are looking for things to dock instead of looking to play straight and have fun. Let's assume guys do dock for most of the things that 6foot said, then it seems kind of lame...unless their opponent is doing it out of the same formation and the same play each time. The objective in this league is to mix it up...if a guy is a passing team, then as long as he passes out of different formation and spreads it around, then you shouldn't dock him for throwing too much. Same goes for running.

Ok, this is getting too long...but maybe I'm totally missing something with this key pass that other guys know about. Is it more effective than what guys have posted previously? Are you really playing your game with suspicion from the get go, therefore needing to know every strategy your opponent is doing because you assume he is going to try and take advantage of A.I.? Is this the LDL...Lobby Dyansty League? Are you keeping a tab list and marking every time you think your opponent is not playing like you think he should? I'm by no means saying that we should all just let love and put on rose-colored glasses when playing, but damn...where's the fun gone?

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pounddarock wrote:Also, I'm 100% with shel...there is NO mistake if a guy used the key run and breaking the rules is a huge dock in points for that matter
I have mistakenly keyed run middle, I tried to pinch D-Line, but hit L2 instead of L1
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