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Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:05 pm
by wdoupis
Yeah, it makes no sense if it is all guaranteed money. Last year Lou Lewis was in free agency and would be the ace of 25 teams and I signed him to a similar deal. I totally get the rule we have in place with the 25% thing if you are trying to "trick" them with a team option but if the money is guaranteed then structure it however you want/need to fit your payroll.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:05 pm
by jeheinz72
Cnasty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:58 am
His C option is definitely true and has been for a while.
Couple that with terrible draft classes and its a pretty rough state for the league lately.
How is C true? I mean you can say FA is weak - maybe - I wouldn't know how FA used to be, but this contract isn't causing it. If anything, now when he's paying him 39 he's going to have a harder time retaining other players. I also believe he said he let go of a bunch of other players just to afford the 9 this year
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:10 pm
by TheGobOne
Can you guys honestly tell me the FA classes have been as good as they were 10/20 years ago? If you think they are you're delusional.
Now ask yourself why that is?
- 10 year max (which is a battle I continue to lose so what's the point)
- Unrealistic contracts
- Arb extension manipulation
Personally, if it was up to me, for the health of the league, I'd make it:
- 5 year max
- The 25% deviation this thread is about
- No extensions until MINIMUM 2 arb cases are heard for the player
Looks like I'm gonna be 0 for 2 but it's all with the health of the league in mind.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:11 pm
by TheGobOne
jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:05 pm
Cnasty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:58 am
His C option is definitely true and has been for a while.
Couple that with terrible draft classes and its a pretty rough state for the league lately.
How is C true? I mean you can say FA is weak - maybe - I wouldn't know how FA used to be, but this contract isn't causing it. If anything, now when he's paying him 39 he's going to have a harder time retaining other players. I also believe he said he let go of a bunch of other players just to afford the 9 this year
????????????????
This contract is directly causing it lmfao. He literally would have been a free agent if not for that contract....................
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:12 pm
by nick
im gonna be paying a 35? yr old catcher + 34 yr old OF in 2 yrs a combined 77 million. Im surprised theres issues when long term this almost certainly fucks me.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:13 pm
by nick
if youre building your team through FAs then you got bigger concerns than the contract.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:15 pm
by nick
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Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:16 pm
by TheGobOne
Keep deflecting
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:20 pm
by jeheinz72
TheGobOne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:11 pm
jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:05 pm
Cnasty wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:58 am
His C option is definitely true and has been for a while.
Couple that with terrible draft classes and its a pretty rough state for the league lately.
How is C true? I mean you can say FA is weak - maybe - I wouldn't know how FA used to be, but this contract isn't causing it. If anything, now when he's paying him 39 he's going to have a harder time retaining other players. I also believe he said he let go of a bunch of other players just to afford the 9 this year
????????????????
This contract is directly causing it lmfao. He literally would have been a free agent if not for that contract....................
Yeah but all of the guys he cut to fit the 9 wouldn't be, and neither would all the players he'll have a harder time affording during the balloon years.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:20 pm
by jeheinz72
nick wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:13 pm
if youre building your team through FAs then you got bigger concerns than the contract.
This.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:22 pm
by nick
the best part is if Cuevas hits the open market he signs 3 yrs 45 mil? no one tries to sign him til February when the contract prices dip. How often do we see a 25+m opt out and the dude signs for 1/5th that?
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:48 pm
by shel311
jeheinz72 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:20 pm
Yeah but all of the guys he cut to fit the 9 wouldn't be, and neither would all the players he'll have a harder time affording during the balloon years.
And honestly, THIS is more realistic.
For the most part, elite players aren't hitting free agency that often. Teams are generally paying them the big bucks and doing what Nick did, letting other lesser(still good, just not elite) players hit free agency.
So if the goal is realism, nick letting guys go this season and the next few guys to go in the coming seasons is more realistic than letting the MVP go to free agency.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:49 pm
by shel311
TheGobOne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:10 pm
- Unrealistic contracts
Posted examples on page 1 of ML contracts with even bigger disparities, from $10mil to $45mil for Strasbergy. So is it really unrealistic?
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:06 pm
by The_Niddler
TheGobOne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:10 pm
Can you guys honestly tell me the FA classes have been as good as they were 10/20 years ago? If you think they are you're delusional.
Now ask yourself why that is?
- 10 year max (which is a battle I continue to lose so what's the point)
- Unrealistic contracts
- Arb extension manipulation
Personally, if it was up to me, for the health of the league, I'd make it:
- 5 year max
- The 25% deviation this thread is about
- No extensions until MINIMUM 2 arb cases are heard for the player
Looks like I'm gonna be 0 for 2 but it's all with the health of the league in mind.
How about OOTP just keeps getting worse and worse?
I have had this same issue in all the leagues I am in, not just here and they all have different rules on player contracts, etc.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:07 pm
by Neurotic
I noticed you change my word in your quote of my response. It doesnt really change the meaning. Isnt manipulating your finances an aspect of the game? Its what separates good managers from bad ones. Being able to juggle and manage your team money the best way possible.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:10 pm
by wdoupis
Yeah, that is just being smart. If you only have 9 mil in year 1 and go way over the asking price in following years when its more risky as they get older it is normal. I signed a similar deal with Noda back in the day and could only go like 8 mil the first year and eventually got up to like 35 and it was an 8 year deal. He became a 20/20 after year 1 and I was stuck paying over 200 mil to a total bum. Its a risk you take and I lost
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:57 pm
by shel311
And again, it's not unrealistic, quite literally.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:37 pm
by Ry
I've done that kind of contract many times, just not with players of the magnitude of, Fernando Cuevas.
Re: Each year of a contract can not deviate more than 25% of the average annual value of the whole contract
Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:53 pm
by nick
if you look at Moose, their big issue is OF. a 8 WAR OF would of put them over the top. I get it. no hard feelings.